Man dies after BART officer shooting (was: I really hope this ain't true...)

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Old 01-27-2009, 08:58 PM
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hahah that's awesome. The ****ing gang banger got what he deserved for talking **** to the lady cop.
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well pressure or not, this is not a job that allows for mistakes. if you are a brain surgen, you can't make mistakes. if you are a tax specialist, you can't make mistakes. if you control the shuttle, you can't make mistakes.

i can make a spelling mistake on i-club and no one will die. get the idea?
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Originally Posted by MyNikonLens
well pressure or not, this is not a job that allows for mistakes. if you are a brain surgen, you can't make mistakes. if you are a tax specialist, you can't make mistakes. if you control the shuttle, you can't make mistakes.

i can make a spelling mistake on i-club and no one will die. get the idea?
I don't know, Rescuer might see a grammar error as an offense worthy of beheading. I'd tread lightly.

Unfortunately life has no guarantees and sometimes good people do the wrong thing. Sometimes people who are supposed to be 'good people' and statistically 'good hires' turn out to be the opposite. Its the nature of the beast and its unfortunate that these things end in this fashion.

As a side note, it is kind of ironic that the very people who show the police zero respect, throw **** at their patrol cars and curse their existence on a daily basis suddenly are quite vocal about how they're supposed to be 'helping their community' and wish for good 'police/community relations'. Pick a side and stick to it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:39 PM
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i apologize. i should not have included all of them. you can imagine though how people feel about what is going on these days. there is just too much stress.
i know it was a generalization, no offense taken =)

trust me.... ive been called much worse.... DAILY!!!!

Im going to go have a drink =)
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Originally Posted by Spoolin415

As a side note, it is kind of ironic that the very people who show the police zero respect, throw **** at their patrol cars and curse their existence on a daily basis suddenly are quite vocal about how they're supposed to be 'helping their community' and wish for good 'police/community relations'. Pick a side and stick to it.
i did not get this last part. maybe it is too late at night and i need some sleep. so please explain this one and i will read it in the morning.
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Originally Posted by MyNikonLens
i did not get this last part. maybe it is too late at night and i need some sleep. so please explain this one and i will read it in the morning.
Usually when these things happen in neighborhoods like Fruitvale, you're dealing with a lot of people who don't like the police. It isn't uncommon for them to throw things at patrolling cars, curse at them and generally wish them to be elsewhere. After an incident like this, these same people are calling for police to better their neighborhood and are looking to improve police/community relations.

But, 2 days ago they were the same ones saying "**** the police". I just think thats ironic and amusing how tunes change when the news cameras are rolling.
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Tag team brutality! Thats all the "newest" video shows. I wonder if anyone will follow through and sue the officer for punching him.


Anyone check this one out: http://www.ktvu.com/video/18493241/index.html
This guy claims the officer who shot Oscar Grant beat him up over a comment he made about Bart PD. Bandwagon Jumper? True Y False?

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Old 01-28-2009, 01:27 AM
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easy now, im not an ***, and i dont give traffic citations.

i even gave the thumbs up to three MODIFIED subies from my car today =)

well I hope you dont take offense, obviously this isnt a generalization about all LEO, hell my step dad here is a homicide detective in SFPD and is the longest serving member on the force, going on 41 years (yes, hes been on since '68) and even he is disgusted at what hes seen in the news about all this. When it comes down to it, theres the same ratio of good guys to *** holes in law enforcement as there are in every other aspect of the population. And just like everywhere else, the *** holes ruin it for everyone else. I really dont think (hope) that the people that are rightfully outraged by what happened that night with those few idiot hothead cops hold it against ALL cops, but you cant blame them for having such strong feelings towards the whole system in general. In the end what needs to happen for the public to regain trust in the police is to see these guys that clearly and knowingly stepped over the line get the full punishment for their actions. Hopefully they will.
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Originally Posted by Spoolin415
Usually when these things happen in neighborhoods like Fruitvale, you're dealing with a lot of people who don't like the police. It isn't uncommon for them to throw things at patrolling cars, curse at them and generally wish them to be elsewhere. After an incident like this, these same people are calling for police to better their neighborhood and are looking to improve police/community relations.

But, 2 days ago they were the same ones saying "**** the police". I just think thats ironic and amusing how tunes change when the news cameras are rolling.
Yes I agree with you on that completely. In fact sometimes when there is a riot, why are stores broken into and stuff stolen from them. What message does that give and how does it relate to what the issue is.
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Defense: BART Shooting Cop Meant To Use Taser

Friday, January 30, 2009 – updated: 6:37 pm PST January 30, 2009
OAKLAND, Calif. -- The former BART police officer accused of fatally shooting an unarmed man on a transit station platform told a fellow officer moments before firing his gun that he was going to discharge his Taser, according to a document released Friday.

Johannes Mehserle, 27, was ordered Friday to be held on $3 million bail on charges that he shot Oscar Grant III, a 22-year-old Hayward man, in the back while Grant was lying face down on the ground at the Fruitvale station platform after police responded to reports that there had been a fight on a train.

Mehserle remains in jail Friday evening and has not posted bail contrary to an earlier statement released by the office of Oakland's mayor, an Alameda County sheriff's spokesman said.

Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums' office issued a statement earlier Friday stating that Mehserle had been released from Santa Rita Jail in Dublin after posting bail, but sheriff's Sgt. J.D. Nelson said Mehserle remains in custody.

At the hearing, Alameda County Superior Court Judge Morris Jacobson said that he set a high bail of $3 million for former the former BART police officer because he thinks Mehserle gave an "inconsistent story" about why he shot and killed Oscar Grant III at the Fruitvale station in Oakland early New Year's Day.

Jacobson said it appears to him that Mehserle, who is charged with murder in connection with the highly publicized incident, wanted to "make up a story to avoid the consequences of his actions."

At a packed hearing that lasted nearly an hour, Jacobson said Mehserle told fellow BART police officers that he was going to use a Taser on Grant, a 22-year-old Hayward man, but after Mehserle shot Grant he told a colleague, "I thought he had a gun."

The judge said Mehserle's statements "seem to be inconsistent" because if Mehserle truly believed that Grant had a gun then Mehserle would have been justified to pull out his gun and use deadly force and wouldn't have needed to use his Taser.

Jacobson said that because he believes Mehserle hasn't been totally forthcoming about his actions he has "a lack of trust at promises that he will appear for future court hearings."

Before Jacobson ruled on Mehserle's bail motion, the former officer's attorney, Michael Rains, said that the shooting was "a tragic accident" and Mehserle only intended to use his Taser.

Rains said he thinks Mehserle should only be charged with involuntary manslaughter and consequently his bail should only be $30,000, which is the standard bail for that lesser charge.

In a draft of the bail appeal released Friday, Rains said that Mehserle told Officer Anthony Pirone he was "going to taze Grant and [yelled] at Pirone to 'get back.'"

Pirone told investigators, the document revealed, that Mehserle told Grant to -- "Put your hands behind your back, stop resisting, stop resisting, put your hands behind your back."

He then said: "I'm going to taze him. I'm going to taze him. I can't get his arms."

Several of the witness quoted in the bail document corroborate the difficult struggle officers were having getting Grant to remove his hands from in front of his stomach before hearing the "pop" of the fired shot.

Pirone told investigators Mehserle then stood up and said: "Tony, Tony, get away, back up, back up."

Mehserle was armed with both a Taser and a handgun. He then allegedly drew the handgun and shot Grant once. According to the court documents submitted by Rains, Mehserle had attended a six-hour training class in use of the X-26 Taser and passed the user certification test on December 3, 2008.

In the document, Rains notes the short amount of time – less than a month – that had passed since the certification and the shooting incident and estimates that Mehserle had likely only carried the department-approved Taser somewhere between eight and twelve shifts before the New Year's Day shooting.

The bail document later asserts that "the bulk of the discovery, including witness and officer statements, seem to indicate that this young officer, who carried a taser for only a few shifts prior to this event, may have mistakenly deployed his service pistol rather than his taser, thus negating any criminal intent."

Mehserle -- who resigned the week after the shooting incident that provoked widespread outrage and protests -- has pleaded not guilty to the murder charge.

With emotions in the community still simmering, authorities increased security at the courthouse as Mehserle's made his appearance before Alameda County Superior Court Judge Morris Jacobson. A group in the hallway outside could clearly be heard chanting "We are Oscar Grant. We are Oscar Grant."

The group of protesters marched through the streets of Oakland after the bail hearing, at one point congregating at the intersection of 14th Street and Broadway, stopping traffic and clambering on top of an AC Transit bus. Though there were reports of one arrest by early evening, police seemed to have the streets under control as night fell.

Former San Francisco District Attorney Jim Hammer predicted the bail would be set somewhere between $1 million and $3 million before the hearing. "In a run of the mill murder case, there is generally bail -- $2 to $3 million," Hammer said.

Hammer added that the bail hearing was just the beginning of a lengthy legal journey. With several cell phone videos having been broadcast of the shooting, the potential jury pool may have already been tainted.

"It's a real nightmare not just for the judge but for the DA also," Hammer said. "If you look back at the most recent case -- the Rodney King beating trial -- you have video of alleged police misconduct played over and over. What that means is that the jurors in Oakland probably have already made up their minds about it."

"The defense will make a motion to move it [the trial] out of the hothouse atmosphere here in Oakland and Alameda County," he added.

Hammer said the trial could be reassigned almost anywhere in the state, including communities where the racially charged nature of the case may be an issue. Grant was black and Mehserle is white.

"That would be bad news for the prosecutor," he said.

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"Put your hands behind your back, stop resisting, stop resisting, put your hands behind your back."

"I'm going to taze him. I'm going to taze him. I can't get his arms."

Several of the witness quoted in the bail document corroborate the difficult struggle officers were having getting Grant to remove his hands from in front of his stomach before hearing the "pop" of the fired shot.
Yeah probably because your partner just got done doing some Mike Tyson to this kids face. Sure he "resisted" arrest, yeah sure.

That situation seemed to be in control Mr. Mehserle. Even more so after seeing your partner punch this kid in the face and watching this guy slump down onto his knees and ultimately onto his stomach in fear. Of course that means you need to use a taser on this kid right? I mean he is already face down with a nice punch to the dome.


I can just imagine how this would sound WITHOUT the videos.

At a packed hearing that lasted nearly an hour, Jacobson said Mehserle told fellow BART police officers that he was going to use a Taser on Grant, a 22-year-old Hayward man, but after Mehserle shot Grant he told a colleague, "I thought he had a gun."

The judge said Mehserle's statements "seem to be inconsistent" because if Mehserle truly believed that Grant had a gun then Mehserle would have been justified to pull out his gun and use deadly force and wouldn't have needed to use his Taser.
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Originally Posted by flatline
easy now, im not an ***, and i dont give traffic citations.

i even gave the thumbs up to three MODIFIED subies from my car today =)
I def wish we had more cops out there like you... Its a shame we don't. :-/


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As much as I want to hate this cop and call him a murderer, the logic behind this whole thing tells me different. It was obviously an accident and to those that don't think it was:

- How many fellow cops were there to act as witnesses? when their asses are on the line the squeal like there's no tomorrow

- How many people were there watching this? The cop knows that the citizens are witnesses to anything they do

Would the cop really shoot the kid knowing the above? Unless he was slightly retarded, and even then I dont think he would.

I know the taser and his pistol share the same grip, def a design flaw, but if you've ever held a taser and a pistol you'll know that they are 100% different other then the grip... When you take aim on a pistol you can CLEARLY see its not a taser, the sights are completely different.
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So my theory is that he didn't plan to aim his taser since he was so close, after hew drew his weapon he aimed into a general direction instead of using the sight like he should have because he clearly would have seen that it was a pistol... Trigger happy douchebag!

I see him getting a manslaughter charge
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