Man dies after BART officer shooting (was: I really hope this ain't true...)
01-08-2009, 01:26 PM
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Y'all are funny.
How many of you have ever had
A) A gun stuffed into your face
or
B) Had to stuff a gun into someone's face?
I've been on both sides & it isn't a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
At the end of the day, the "suspect" is dead and the "cop" goes home.
The outcome may have been different if the "suspects" kept their mouths shut & complied with the officer.
How many of you have ever had
A) A gun stuffed into your face
or
B) Had to stuff a gun into someone's face?
I've been on both sides & it isn't a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
At the end of the day, the "suspect" is dead and the "cop" goes home.
The outcome may have been different if the "suspects" kept their mouths shut & complied with the officer.
01-08-2009, 01:30 PM
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Not aggravating an officer who has a gun goes up there on the list of 'Things That I Can Do, But Shouldn't', right behind 'Driving with my knees.'
01-08-2009, 01:31 PM
#229
You know, I'm not too sure if Grant was resisting or not. It's very hard to tell from the video. If he did in fact was resisting to be hancuffed, I think tazing him is actually can be justified. But of course, in this case, officer used a real handgun. Why? That's the question. Was it accidental, confused, druged, drunk, major depression, suicidal,...? But he seemed to be surprised himself in the video. Which lead me to believe that he thought he was holding his taser. But who knows....
01-08-2009, 01:38 PM
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friggin scary if you really think about it. For all those cops. Easy to make a mistake that can end a life.
Just keep thinking of this situation and it just sucks. I feel bad for everyone. 2 years on the force is not a long time. Gonna change his whole life plan. 4 year old kid left behind. At least he'll be taken care of since the whole family will be living fat off the 25 million.
Just a terrible situation the more I think about it.
Just keep thinking of this situation and it just sucks. I feel bad for everyone. 2 years on the force is not a long time. Gonna change his whole life plan. 4 year old kid left behind. At least he'll be taken care of since the whole family will be living fat off the 25 million.
Just a terrible situation the more I think about it.
01-08-2009, 01:45 PM
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What I find funny...
We see this every time a news clip of police brutality hits youtube. Some punks mouthing off to cops and the cops either taking it or lashing out.
I consider myself a reasonable person of sound mind. If I (or you) saw a guy walking down the street with a firearm holstered on his belt would you mouth off to him (if you were unarmed)? Lets say he did something to really **** you off. Would you let him have it then? Probably not. You don't know him or what he's capable of and you really don't want to be shot. I personally wouldn't mess with the dude. I'd forget about it and go home. Now slap a uniform and badge on the same armed man. Would you let him have it then and give him a good verbal lashing? Just because he's wearing a badge doesn't mean he won't flip out, or make some error in judgement. He is after all Human. As humans we are not perfect, usually quite the opposite. Right or wrong, I wouldn't put myself in that situation. With the information we have, I agree that what happened was a tragedy. But....
This is natural selection at work.
I consider myself a reasonable person of sound mind. If I (or you) saw a guy walking down the street with a firearm holstered on his belt would you mouth off to him (if you were unarmed)? Lets say he did something to really **** you off. Would you let him have it then? Probably not. You don't know him or what he's capable of and you really don't want to be shot. I personally wouldn't mess with the dude. I'd forget about it and go home. Now slap a uniform and badge on the same armed man. Would you let him have it then and give him a good verbal lashing? Just because he's wearing a badge doesn't mean he won't flip out, or make some error in judgement. He is after all Human. As humans we are not perfect, usually quite the opposite. Right or wrong, I wouldn't put myself in that situation. With the information we have, I agree that what happened was a tragedy. But....
This is natural selection at work.
01-08-2009, 01:56 PM
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Y'all are funny.
How many of you have ever had
A) A gun stuffed into your face
or
B) Had to stuff a gun into someone's face?
I've been on both sides & it isn't a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
At the end of the day, the "suspect" is dead and the "cop" goes home.
The outcome may have been different if the "suspects" kept their mouths shut & complied with the officer.
How many of you have ever had
A) A gun stuffed into your face
or
B) Had to stuff a gun into someone's face?
I've been on both sides & it isn't a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
At the end of the day, the "suspect" is dead and the "cop" goes home.
The outcome may have been different if the "suspects" kept their mouths shut & complied with the officer.
Well now the cop is the suspect, and with good reason. No way he will avoid a criminal trial.
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
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he wasnt resisting? he was on the floor for a good ten seconds while two cops struggled to keep him down...if he wasnt resisting, he would have been cuffed, the cop would have stood up and not had to reach for a sidearm...thats why after he was shot, they still proceeded to cuff him
01-08-2009, 01:59 PM
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Y'all are funny.
How many of you have ever had
A) A gun stuffed into your face
or
B) Had to stuff a gun into someone's face?
I've been on both sides & it isn't a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
At the end of the day, the "suspect" is dead and the "cop" goes home.
The outcome may have been different if the "suspects" kept their mouths shut & complied with the officer.
How many of you have ever had
A) A gun stuffed into your face
or
B) Had to stuff a gun into someone's face?
I've been on both sides & it isn't a pleasant experience for all parties involved.
At the end of the day, the "suspect" is dead and the "cop" goes home.
The outcome may have been different if the "suspects" kept their mouths shut & complied with the officer.
It doesn't show the guy trying to get up, doesn't show him throwing his arms around hitting the cops...
01-08-2009, 02:04 PM
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I would reject any mentality that says 'Speak up and you will get shot.'
This is not a facist state, and we cannot allow the police to act as such.
At the same time, yes it behooves you to comply with an officer who is acting within his power and protocol.
Chris - There is nothing 'natural' about this tragedy.
01-08-2009, 02:12 PM
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he wasnt resisting? he was on the floor for a good ten seconds while two cops struggled to keep him down...if he wasnt resisting, he would have been cuffed, the cop would have stood up and not had to reach for a sidearm...thats why after he was shot, they still proceeded to cuff him
01-08-2009, 02:15 PM
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he wasnt resisting? he was on the floor for a good ten seconds while two cops struggled to keep him down...if he wasnt resisting, he would have been cuffed, the cop would have stood up and not had to reach for a sidearm...thats why after he was shot, they still proceeded to cuff him
Procedure, one of the back near your shoulders and neck, One on the legs. Even if you were kicking, which he was not, you aint gonna do ****.
So no, he was NOT resisting. Punk *** cop didnt know how to deal with **** and shot him.
