Loose rear end…what would you have done?
08-25-2004, 05:42 PM
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Need proper counter steering.
Was the car stock?
Hitting the brake hard during the steering at downhill turns?
Take a look at below image and website regarding countersteering on oversteering during the drift.
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...land//10mg.jpg
Some good video clips here. Pay attention to the front wheels line up when the rear end turn loose upon steering with brakes(rear brake light).
http://www.team-oneil.com/videos.htm
Some good talks on Tim's interviews.
http://www.team-oneil.com/press.htm
I especially like this one.
http://www.team-oneil.com/press7.htm
Can't find where he spoke about left foot breaking and pendulum turn.
During downhill, if one brake hard, the whole body mass focused into the very front and lessen the rear contact significantly. Counter steer a little with the gas(at lower gear) may do the job.
Don't kill yourself or your car.
-Kendo.
Hitting the brake hard during the steering at downhill turns?
Take a look at below image and website regarding countersteering on oversteering during the drift.
http://us1.webpublications.com.au/st...land//10mg.jpg
Some good video clips here. Pay attention to the front wheels line up when the rear end turn loose upon steering with brakes(rear brake light).
http://www.team-oneil.com/videos.htm
Some good talks on Tim's interviews.
http://www.team-oneil.com/press.htm
I especially like this one.
http://www.team-oneil.com/press7.htm
Can't find where he spoke about left foot breaking and pendulum turn.
During downhill, if one brake hard, the whole body mass focused into the very front and lessen the rear contact significantly. Counter steer a little with the gas(at lower gear) may do the job.
Don't kill yourself or your car.
-Kendo.
08-25-2004, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by macao_friend
Point well taken. I've tried very hard not to raise our insurance 
. Any pointers though? I'll go back to that road tonight and see if I can replicate what I did to break loose the rear...
. Any pointers though? I'll go back to that road tonight and see if I can replicate what I did to break loose the rear...
08-25-2004, 07:11 PM
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Yes, don't go back there... don't waste your money with high insurence rates and deductables... just get better tires, better suspension, and take some driving courses.
Whenever someone wants to mod their car (n00bs) and they ask me what I'd do first... I ALWAYS tell them tires and suspension. You have enough power for now... not enough skill though. So, change that! Then upgrade power and tear some ish up.
Whenever someone wants to mod their car (n00bs) and they ask me what I'd do first... I ALWAYS tell them tires and suspension. You have enough power for now... not enough skill though. So, change that! Then upgrade power and tear some ish up.
08-25-2004, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by macao_friend
I don’t have any experience with drifting and frankly didn’t expect my 4WD to do this on a dry road.
Don't lift. Use the gas. Countersteer. But I don't recommend any of that unless you actually know what your car is going to do when you do all three of those things. If you don't know what each is going to do, how much steering input you need to use, and how much gas, your car is gonna whip like a pissed off fish outta water, and at the worse, you are going to fly off a cliff instead of just hitting the side of the mountain like you almost did.
The best way to learn car control is to start with autocross, then do some track days. Countersteer correcting is much different at 60-90mph than it is at 30 mph like autocross.
I learned how little steering input the car needs while I was spinning through turn 8 at thunderhill at 90mph. Needless to say, I gave too much input and spun into the gravel and got little chips all over the side of my car and wheels. The GOOD thing is that I knew to put both feet in and setup the wheels so they are into the spin ONCE I got into the gravel. That probably saved the tires from tripping and flipping the car. How did I learn that? From spinning at a wet autocross.
Get some more talent first, then apply it in safe(r) conditions.
08-25-2004, 07:29 PM
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Here are picks of my crash, only damaged the front of my bumper.
night it happened - http://slakin.net/04WRX/8-7-2004/
revisit of the site in day light - http://slakin.net/04WRX/8-8-2004-JCR/
A chopped view of the whole turn - http://slakin.net/04WRX/8-8-2004-JCR/chopped-mq.jpg
Driving down the hill too fast, under steered, did a wall ride on the side of the mountain, came down, applied breaks, skid to the edge of the cliff and stopped just in time.
Yes, I am also an unexperienced driver when it comes to rallying.
I grew up on windy mountain roads rallying a VW bus getting on 2 wheels and a bit of drifting, but that was nothing compared to this.
I am now affraid to make my wheels squeel around every turn. =\ Plus I have the granny *** wagon with stock suspension and tires.
I will hopefully make it to a track day some time with all of you other newbs as well and we can newb-speed together. ;D
night it happened - http://slakin.net/04WRX/8-7-2004/
revisit of the site in day light - http://slakin.net/04WRX/8-8-2004-JCR/
A chopped view of the whole turn - http://slakin.net/04WRX/8-8-2004-JCR/chopped-mq.jpg
Driving down the hill too fast, under steered, did a wall ride on the side of the mountain, came down, applied breaks, skid to the edge of the cliff and stopped just in time.
Yes, I am also an unexperienced driver when it comes to rallying.
I grew up on windy mountain roads rallying a VW bus getting on 2 wheels and a bit of drifting, but that was nothing compared to this.
I am now affraid to make my wheels squeel around every turn. =\ Plus I have the granny *** wagon with stock suspension and tires.
I will hopefully make it to a track day some time with all of you other newbs as well and we can newb-speed together. ;D
08-25-2004, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bluwrxwgn
The car doesn't always straighten out. As in my case I countersteered twice to get it to correct. Once to the right, once to the left then BAM!!! Oh well, lesson learned that's for sure.
08-25-2004, 09:39 PM
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I believe auto-x is the answer. I have just started to auto-x and you learn the limits of your car a lot better there. It's kinda funny, since my brother has been auto-xing for some time now, and when i went on my first run, my tires didn't even squeak.... But, on the 3rd run of the day, i put my time down 6 seconds. Considering most auto-x tracks are about 1 minute... that's damn good for me =)
Edit: Also, hitting a few cones is a lot better than running off the track into dirt or a tire wall, and much better than going into the side of a cliff or off one...
Edit: Also, hitting a few cones is a lot better than running off the track into dirt or a tire wall, and much better than going into the side of a cliff or off one...
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08-25-2004, 09:44 PM
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yeah i put drift0 the autoX veteran to shame on my first autoX run ever... haha i beat his best time of the day with my first time ever!
i still laugh at him till this day
edgar,
so random i know
i still laugh at him till this day
edgar,
so random i know
08-25-2004, 11:16 PM
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See the thing is, you always gotta take it safe and slow. THAT's the key point more than anything. Because I also know for a fact that a lot of professional racing legends, IE some of the WRC drivers and JGTC drivers, learned race driving on public roads in their personal cars, by themselves, and that they indeed did crash but now they are better than anyone any of us on board personally knows (except maybe Imprezzer )
Granted you can say they are lucky not to have died, but I think that the innate personality trait/ability to not rush into things and get over your head is a pretty big qualification to whether someone can learn performance driving the "amatuer way". And it's not like you can flame me for saying this because as I just said above and as we all know, some very famous drivers were like this.
)Granted you can say they are lucky not to have died, but I think that the innate personality trait/ability to not rush into things and get over your head is a pretty big qualification to whether someone can learn performance driving the "amatuer way". And it's not like you can flame me for saying this because as I just said above and as we all know, some very famous drivers were like this.
08-25-2004, 11:23 PM
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So no one else is going to coment on the fact that he said "loose rearend?" I know I'm not the only one that thinks like a 13 year old. You know it made you laugh...
-Chris
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