sounds like you made up your mind from your first post. i vote job #2, and that vote comes from very similar experience.

a healthy workplace is worth SO much once you've worked in the crappy job.

 

GIVE ME job #1...

 

having been down both paths myself, I will definitely vote for being happy and slightly less highly compensated.

nothing worse than waking up in the morning and dreading going to work. life's too damn short for that kind of stuff. I'd rather keep a smile on my face.

 

I'd pick #2... but it has nothing to do with the building, the nicer office, or the thermostat and EVERYTHING to do with the people you work with and your BOSS.

The worst is when you have a boss that treats you like crap.

 

I voted #2, but I would also like to know about job security.

 

120k and 90k isnt that a 30k cut?

 

I say job one. Work is work. That extra 30k I'd make myself happy with. Haha

 

+1.

hookers and booze... makes that $30k worthwhile...

 

you don't get what you work for, or what you earn...you get what you negotiate. <---cheezy, but true.

I'd take the option not listed....because once you take either job, you'll NEVER be in the position you're in now AGAIN.

THEY WANT YOU....once you walk in on your first day of work....YOU'LL WANT....a raise....promotion....more vacation....etc...

SO, if jobs 1 and 2 really are that similar (in what you actually do), then tell Job 2 you'd really like to work for them for the above mentioned reasons.

But then state that you have a very similar offer for a significant amount more. Now, here's the catch...HOW you say this is very important. Don't come off like you won't take the job if they don't move...just explain (and be honest) that $30K is a LOT of money (it is afterall, right? there's nothing wrong with that, you won't come off as 'greedy'...hell, there are a lot people who would LOVE to make $30K/year out there), and in this economy, that's just not something you can over look.

You don't NEED to make $120K....but if they could 'somehow' close the gap, that would certainly make your decision much easier.

a lot of things are negotiable...so feel free to get creative (bonuses, ramped career path to get you to $120K, etc).

but think of this...$30K isn't chump change...that's $30K/YEAR...EVERY year.

so in 4 years, you would have left $120K on the table...for THE SAME WORK. I'll say it again....$120K in 4 years!! That's your kids college fund right there.

and like someone else said above...work is work. If you want to have fun at work and take whispy walks whenever you want, go be a park ranger (and make about $30K/year). If you want to make real money, buckle down, and play ball.

And a lot of people are saying they'd rather be happy and take less...what a load of crap...easy to say that when the situation isn't staring you in the face. If i had the option at my current job, to take either a $30K raise, OR the open corner office that's 15 feet from my cubicle right now (our Sr. VP Sales just got a new corner office on the next floor)...I'd take $30K any day of the week and twice on sunday.

In my experienced, the only people that get 'micromanaged' are the ones that need it. if you can't do a simple, easy-to-complete, high exec visibility TPO report....then you deserve to be micromanaged.

 

Take the hippy $90k one, I'll take the Borg $120k one & show y'all that $$$,$$$ can acquire happiness.

 

I would take 2. u can't put a price on the amount of stress that job 1 would give u and it seems like 2 would just be so much easier for u mentally, plus, cube's blow, a office is your own little world, pick job 2!

 

oh, and to add...I'd actually be very careful of a company that's offering jobs 25% below market value. Something's potentially wrong there.

At the same time, offering 30% more than market value (so here's the rub, what's REALLY market value for this type of position) could show that the job sucks so much that that's what they have to pay to get people to work there.


Having an office isn't going to make or break a job, and you're kidding yourself w/delusions of grandeur if you think you're job is going to be GREAT and FUN just cause you're in an office.:bored:

 

Yeah.. also.

My dad would say to take the job that pays the most and who gives a **** how you are treated. Money is money. You can have that extra money working for you and that could lead to an early retirement, bigger house, more toys, etc etc.

I retract my vote and say take job 1.

 

u gotta lose some money for the modern environment you are working in lol. anyways, if i am going to be working at a job, i cant be bored to ****ing death or ill be on i-club all day and stuff and wont be able to finish.

job i enjoy > job i dreadfully work for to get money

 

I chose job #2.
Gotta be happy at your job...