Here's why you don't txt while driving
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I don't know.. The way I see it seems they will just blame the kid since he did the texting and he died.
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Investigators also found significant problems with the brakes of both school buses involved in the accident. A third school bus sent to a hospital after the accident to pick up students crashed in the hospital parking lot when that bus' brakes failed.
However, the brake problems didn't cause or contribute to the severity of the accident, investigators said.
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Investigators also found significant problems with the brakes of both school buses involved in the accident. A third school bus sent to a hospital after the accident to pick up students crashed in the hospital parking lot when that bus' brakes failed.
However, the brake problems didn't cause or contribute to the severity of the accident, investigators said.
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Whoever wrote that article obviously has an agenda. What the **** does texting have to do with getting REAR ENDED?! When someone rear ends you, it's 100% their fault automatically. Doesn't matter what the driver of the pickup was doing. He was the one that got crashed into by 2 buses.
I can see his family suing the **** out of the school district and getting a fat civil settlement.
I can see his family suing the **** out of the school district and getting a fat civil settlement.
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I don't know.. The way I see it seems they will just blame the kid since he did the texting and he died.
This taken from the link
Investigators also found significant problems with the brakes of both school buses involved in the accident. A third school bus sent to a hospital after the accident to pick up students crashed in the hospital parking lot when that bus' brakes failed.
However, the brake problems didn't cause or contribute to the severity of the accident, investigators said.
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Investigators also found significant problems with the brakes of both school buses involved in the accident. A third school bus sent to a hospital after the accident to pick up students crashed in the hospital parking lot when that bus' brakes failed.
However, the brake problems didn't cause or contribute to the severity of the accident, investigators said.
wow, this is starting to **** me off. The fact of the matter is, regardless of whatever caused the first crash, all the other drivers behind him should have been following at a safe enough distance to stop, this is like basic drivers ed/DMV manual stuff. This is the exact same thing that happened to my ex a few years back, she was on the freeway in the rain and the two cars in front of her rear ended, she didnt stop in time and also rear ended they guy in front of her, even though she didnt cause the wreck she was still found at fault for following too close, its that "at least 51 percent at fault" clause they they use, so she got the point and we had to take the hit on insurance.
But hey, the kids dead, he cant defend himself even though the buses brakes were bad, lets just pin it on the dead kid!
**** this.
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I totally agree with you Jeremy. I hope his parents force the issue about the buses hitting him. They shouldn't have been that far on his *** and the brakes on the buses should have worked. I find it bs that 3 buses from the same school all had faulty brakes.
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But your burger is any safer?
How about that water bottle you can't seem to get the cap off?
The CDs in your glove compartment you sort through to find the right one?
Texting and driving.
Oooooh. Ahhhhh.
How about that water bottle you can't seem to get the cap off?
The CDs in your glove compartment you sort through to find the right one?
Texting and driving.
Oooooh. Ahhhhh.
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wow, this is starting to **** me off. The fact of the matter is, regardless of whatever caused the first crash, all the other drivers behind him should have been following at a safe enough distance to stop, this is like basic drivers ed/DMV manual stuff. This is the exact same thing that happened to my ex a few years back, she was on the freeway in the rain and the two cars in front of her rear ended, she didnt stop in time and also rear ended they guy in front of her, even though she didnt cause the wreck she was still found at fault for following too close, its that "at least 51 percent at fault" clause they they use, so she got the point and we had to take the hit on insurance.
But hey, the kids dead, he cant defend himself even though the buses brakes were bad, lets just pin it on the dead kid!
**** this.
**** this.
Here's reality: it doesn't matter why you are distracted. A bottle of water doesn't cause an accident. CDs don't cause an accident. Being distracted does, and that is entirely the driver's responsibility. Fall asleep at the wheel? Your fault. Bald tires? Your fault. Worn brakes? Your fault. TXTing is a distraction, and an increasingly common one that is proven to cause accidents because people are stupid.
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wow, this is starting to **** me off. The fact of the matter is, regardless of whatever caused the first crash, all the other drivers behind him should have been following at a safe enough distance to stop, this is like basic drivers ed/DMV manual stuff. This is the exact same thing that happened to my ex a few years back, she was on the freeway in the rain and the two cars in front of her rear ended, she didnt stop in time and also rear ended they guy in front of her, even though she didnt cause the wreck she was still found at fault for following too close, its that "at least 51 percent at fault" clause they they use, so she got the point and we had to take the hit on insurance.
But hey, the kids dead, he cant defend himself even though the buses brakes were bad, lets just pin it on the dead kid!
**** this.
But hey, the kids dead, he cant defend himself even though the buses brakes were bad, lets just pin it on the dead kid!
**** this.
This is the main reason I try to stay away from big trucks and buses.
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wow, this is starting to **** me off. The fact of the matter is, regardless of whatever caused the first crash, all the other drivers behind him should have been following at a safe enough distance to stop, this is like basic drivers ed/DMV manual stuff. This is the exact same thing that happened to my ex a few years back, she was on the freeway in the rain and the two cars in front of her rear ended, she didnt stop in time and also rear ended they guy in front of her, even though she didnt cause the wreck she was still found at fault for following too close, its that "at least 51 percent at fault" clause they they use, so she got the point and we had to take the hit on insurance.
But hey, the kids dead, he cant defend himself even though the buses brakes were bad, lets just pin it on the dead kid!
**** this.
But hey, the kids dead, he cant defend himself even though the buses brakes were bad, lets just pin it on the dead kid!
**** this.
Seriously. This popped up on my local news last night. i was just talking to my coworker about it. Do they really think everyone is that stupid? They're using this kid as a scapegoat and his family is left to deal with it. It's bull****.
Find another way to push your agenda.
From what I see here are some facts.
1. Kid had texted prior to the accident (11 minutes can be quite a long time, might not have even been on the freeway... could have been at a stoplight)
2. They don't have proof that the kid was MID TEXT during the accident.
3. The buses clearly were following too close
4. There is no way to tell if the kid even hit the truck in the first place
5. The buses had brake issues
So... there is no facts directly connecting the kids texting to this accident but there are facts directly linking the buses to this accident.
I seriously wouldn't be surprised if something came out that the kid had to slam on his brakes... stopped in time... the buses did not.
I mean the damn bus is a bus length up on TOP of a truck AND a big rig. How can that not be an issue? WTF.
I for one would like to start some kind of backlash on this to help save that kids image... for the sake of his family. Hold the bus drivers AND the schools associated with not maintaining those buses accountable. It's gonna be a big up yours if it comes around that it was the bus drivers fault and they buried that kid under these circumstances.
Yeah for pushing an agenda. Funny that they're working on a law to ban ALL phone usage while driving... even if it's handsfree. Stupid.
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Buses usually belong to the district, not the school, so it would be the school district that is responsible for maintaining the buses. The drivers of those buses are responsible for checking proper operation of those brakes before driving as well.
The article says he was TXTing within 1 minute of the accident. I don't see where they are blaming the kid, just that there is a HIGH probability that TXTing contributed to the accident.
The article says he was TXTing within 1 minute of the accident. I don't see where they are blaming the kid, just that there is a HIGH probability that TXTing contributed to the accident.
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It's like not one of them put on the brakes at all. Like it says here the last bus shoved the back of the other bus 5 feet in. Thats traveling way too close together in my opinion!
"Another issue involved the difficulty passengers had exiting the first school bus after the accident. The bus' front and rear bus doors were unusable after the accident — the front door because the front bus was on top of the tractor truck cab and too high off the ground, and the rear door because the front of the bus had intruded five feet into the rear of the first bus."
"Another issue involved the difficulty passengers had exiting the first school bus after the accident. The bus' front and rear bus doors were unusable after the accident — the front door because the front bus was on top of the tractor truck cab and too high off the ground, and the rear door because the front of the bus had intruded five feet into the rear of the first bus."
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If that kid had NOT been texting, and stopped normally behind the flatbed, and everything else was the same, I think the incident would instead look like this:
I'm against distracted driving, especially txt/phone distraction (I HATE it when people think they are "hands free" when they CB-radio their cell phones). But this incident is clearly more an issue of the school buses and the victims. BAD example of txt'ing problem.
The problem with txting, is that all txting incidents will be very hard to prove they were the cause. Mere seconds separate being at a stop light, and crossing an intersection when it turns gree.
I'm against distracted driving, especially txt/phone distraction (I HATE it when people think they are "hands free" when they CB-radio their cell phones). But this incident is clearly more an issue of the school buses and the victims. BAD example of txt'ing problem.
The problem with txting, is that all txting incidents will be very hard to prove they were the cause. Mere seconds separate being at a stop light, and crossing an intersection when it turns gree.