Gun Safety Q.
01-20-2009, 01:21 AM
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Gun Safety Q.
My friend was telling me not to shoot at the top of a dead tree, because any missed shots (none since it was 50 feet away) can supposedly come down with equal force.
I said the energy of the bullet going up is deadly, but once it reaches its apex, or loses its energy, it becomes a falling piece of metal and hits terminal velocity and wouldnt hurt anyone coming down.
Just like a shuttlecock flying 100mph after its hit, and falling at 5mph.
He said no, so please let me know if he is right. I mean it would be stupid if planes were flying around, but hopefully the old one-shot 22 could go up very far.
Other guns were a Enfeild something or other .303 and a .308 with a lever action cocker thingy. lol.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/v...subj=626005559
anyways here are some pics... right by Dodge Ridge.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=626005559
I said the energy of the bullet going up is deadly, but once it reaches its apex, or loses its energy, it becomes a falling piece of metal and hits terminal velocity and wouldnt hurt anyone coming down.
Just like a shuttlecock flying 100mph after its hit, and falling at 5mph.
He said no, so please let me know if he is right. I mean it would be stupid if planes were flying around, but hopefully the old one-shot 22 could go up very far.
Other guns were a Enfeild something or other .303 and a .308 with a lever action cocker thingy. lol.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/v...subj=626005559
anyways here are some pics... right by Dodge Ridge.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=626005559
01-20-2009, 02:58 AM
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why are you shooting at a top of a tree?
do you know the 4 basic rules of gun safety?
see #3.
sigh...
do you know the 4 basic rules of gun safety?
1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded.
2. Never allow the muzzle to point at anything you are not willing to see destroyed.
3. Be sure of your target and know what lies behind it.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are aligned on target.
2. Never allow the muzzle to point at anything you are not willing to see destroyed.
3. Be sure of your target and know what lies behind it.
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are aligned on target.
sigh...
01-20-2009, 03:04 AM
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to answer your question, thank the mythbusters:
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/e...red_up_vo.html
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/e...red_up_vo.html
01-20-2009, 08:21 AM
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My friend was telling me not to shoot at the top of a dead tree, because any missed shots (none since it was 50 feet away) can supposedly come down with equal force.
I said the energy of the bullet going up is deadly, but once it reaches its apex, or loses its energy, it becomes a falling piece of metal and hits terminal velocity and wouldnt hurt anyone coming down.
Just like a shuttlecock flying 100mph after its hit, and falling at 5mph.
He said no, so please let me know if he is right. I mean it would be stupid if planes were flying around, but hopefully the old one-shot 22 could go up very far.
Other guns were a Enfeild something or other .303 and a .308 with a lever action cocker thingy. lol.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/v...subj=626005559
anyways here are some pics... right by Dodge Ridge.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=626005559
I said the energy of the bullet going up is deadly, but once it reaches its apex, or loses its energy, it becomes a falling piece of metal and hits terminal velocity and wouldnt hurt anyone coming down.
Just like a shuttlecock flying 100mph after its hit, and falling at 5mph.
He said no, so please let me know if he is right. I mean it would be stupid if planes were flying around, but hopefully the old one-shot 22 could go up very far.
Other guns were a Enfeild something or other .303 and a .308 with a lever action cocker thingy. lol.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/v...subj=626005559
anyways here are some pics... right by Dodge Ridge.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=626005559
If there is any arc in the trajectory, assume that the ammunition will still carry enough energy to kill or maim whatever it contacts on it's way back down to earth. Just because the projectile has a curved path does not mean it looses most of it's velocity.
01-20-2009, 09:47 AM
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Let's not forget that we have to calculate the horizontal velocity and vertical velocity seperately.
The vertical velocity eventually becomes terminal speed if the bullet has enough time to drop, but the horizontal velocity is only going to be slowed down by air friction.
The vertical velocity eventually becomes terminal speed if the bullet has enough time to drop, but the horizontal velocity is only going to be slowed down by air friction.
My friend was telling me not to shoot at the top of a dead tree, because any missed shots (none since it was 50 feet away) can supposedly come down with equal force.
I said the energy of the bullet going up is deadly, but once it reaches its apex, or loses its energy, it becomes a falling piece of metal and hits terminal velocity and wouldnt hurt anyone coming down.
Just like a shuttlecock flying 100mph after its hit, and falling at 5mph.
He said no, so please let me know if he is right. I mean it would be stupid if planes were flying around, but hopefully the old one-shot 22 could go up very far.
Other guns were a Enfeild something or other .303 and a .308 with a lever action cocker thingy. lol.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/v...subj=626005559
anyways here are some pics... right by Dodge Ridge.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=626005559
I said the energy of the bullet going up is deadly, but once it reaches its apex, or loses its energy, it becomes a falling piece of metal and hits terminal velocity and wouldnt hurt anyone coming down.
Just like a shuttlecock flying 100mph after its hit, and falling at 5mph.
He said no, so please let me know if he is right. I mean it would be stupid if planes were flying around, but hopefully the old one-shot 22 could go up very far.
Other guns were a Enfeild something or other .303 and a .308 with a lever action cocker thingy. lol.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/v...subj=626005559
anyways here are some pics... right by Dodge Ridge.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=626005559
01-20-2009, 09:50 AM
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iPod Touch Mounted on M110 Sniper Rifle
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-sniper-rifle/
We have seen some cool iPhone applications come out for shooting sports. But nothing comes close to the sheer awesomeness of the Knights Armaments M110 iPod Touch mount and accompanying ballistics software.
The M110 is the 7.62×51mm semi-automatic sniper system which won the Army’s competition to replace the aging M24 bolt action sniper system. While it will not replace the M24 in the near future, the system is seeing action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The rifle is based on the SR-25, which in turn is based on the Stoners’ AR-10 design.
Knights Armaments have developed a mounting system for the iPod Touch that attaches to a side mounted picatinny rail. The mount attaches to an Otterbox protective case.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-sniper-rifle/
We have seen some cool iPhone applications come out for shooting sports. But nothing comes close to the sheer awesomeness of the Knights Armaments M110 iPod Touch mount and accompanying ballistics software.
The M110 is the 7.62×51mm semi-automatic sniper system which won the Army’s competition to replace the aging M24 bolt action sniper system. While it will not replace the M24 in the near future, the system is seeing action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The rifle is based on the SR-25, which in turn is based on the Stoners’ AR-10 design.
Knights Armaments have developed a mounting system for the iPod Touch that attaches to a side mounted picatinny rail. The mount attaches to an Otterbox protective case.
01-20-2009, 09:55 AM
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a falling object accelerates at 9.8 meters per second.
didn't we learn that in 7th grade or something.
people die all teh time in 3rd world countries from kids firing their ak47's at teh sky.
didn't we learn that in 7th grade or something.
people die all teh time in 3rd world countries from kids firing their ak47's at teh sky.
01-20-2009, 09:56 AM
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iPod Touch Mounted on M110 Sniper Rifle
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-sniper-rifle/
We have seen some cool iPhone applications come out for shooting sports. But nothing comes close to the sheer awesomeness of the Knights Armaments M110 iPod Touch mount and accompanying ballistics software.
The M110 is the 7.62×51mm semi-automatic sniper system which won the Army’s competition to replace the aging M24 bolt action sniper system. While it will not replace the M24 in the near future, the system is seeing action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The rifle is based on the SR-25, which in turn is based on the Stoners’ AR-10 design.
Knights Armaments have developed a mounting system for the iPod Touch that attaches to a side mounted picatinny rail. The mount attaches to an Otterbox protective case.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-sniper-rifle/
We have seen some cool iPhone applications come out for shooting sports. But nothing comes close to the sheer awesomeness of the Knights Armaments M110 iPod Touch mount and accompanying ballistics software.
The M110 is the 7.62×51mm semi-automatic sniper system which won the Army’s competition to replace the aging M24 bolt action sniper system. While it will not replace the M24 in the near future, the system is seeing action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The rifle is based on the SR-25, which in turn is based on the Stoners’ AR-10 design.
Knights Armaments have developed a mounting system for the iPod Touch that attaches to a side mounted picatinny rail. The mount attaches to an Otterbox protective case.
01-20-2009, 10:32 AM
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A perfect (albeit overly simplified) example of air resistance would be dropping a sheet of paper. Obviously it doesn't accelerate at 9.8m/s/s due to air resistance.
01-20-2009, 10:44 AM
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Too bad physics isn't that easy. While that's an estimated number, that number is in a perfect vacuum, some certain distance from earth. Once the bullet hits a certain speed, enough air friction will cause the bullet to stop accelerating, and according to mythbusters (not always right), this speed isn't fast enough to kill.
A perfect (albeit overly simplified) example of air resistance would be dropping a sheet of paper. Obviously it doesn't accelerate at 9.8m/s/s due to air resistance.
A perfect (albeit overly simplified) example of air resistance would be dropping a sheet of paper. Obviously it doesn't accelerate at 9.8m/s/s due to air resistance.
while the energy will dissipate over time in an arch, it is still enough to be lethal.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/4084756/detail.html
hell, even the CDC keeps statistics on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire
01-20-2009, 11:29 AM
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hmmm interesting...
I was hitting a the top of a dead tree and any misses would've hit the 1000 other taller trees behind it...hopefully there was nobody in those trees, we yelled to see if anyone was out there...so unless they were mutes climbing in the trees...
But thanks for the 411.
I was hitting a the top of a dead tree and any misses would've hit the 1000 other taller trees behind it...hopefully there was nobody in those trees, we yelled to see if anyone was out there...so unless they were mutes climbing in the trees...
But thanks for the 411.