Flying Lizard ALMS Porsche Driver deserves to be banned (awesome video)
10-12-2009, 09:56 AM
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GT2: An Actual Fight to the Finish
The racing in GT2 was not not so clean. Jörg Bermeister and Jan Magnusson’s epic last-lap struggle, while exciting, was not in keeping with the driving standards set by the Americans Le Mans Series.
Bergmeister, driving the #45 Flying Lizard Porsche RSR, had already won the series, but he wanted to win the race. Jan Magnusson in the Corvette Racing Corvette C wanted equally to win, and he had a faster car. However, Bergmeister was ahead of him, and was doing everything the rules allowed to keep the Corvette from passing.
As the end of the race neared, Magnusson resorted to swerving onto pit lane to get past the Porsche, but the race stewards radioed to him that he had to give back the position, because he made the pass by using an illegal shortcut.
More frustrated than ever, Magnusson rammed Bergmeister coming into the final turn of the final lap. While Bergmeister struggled to control his car, Magnusson pushed past on the inside.
Unwilling to be beaten by such tactics, Bergmeister responded by pushing Magnusson towards the inside wall. Magnusson had to turn sharply to avoid hitting the wall, and this sent him spinning across the track and headfirst into the outside wall with enough force to lift the back of the car completely off the track.
“I was clear ahead going into the last corner, and he just drilled me,” Jörg Bergmeister explained. “I didn’t want it to end like that but he started it and I wasn’t giving that one away.”
Magnusson was not injured, and the stewards chose not to penalize the drivers. Hopefully, something will be said after the season ends; this kind of driving, while accepted in some series, has no place in the American Le Mans Series.
The racing in GT2 was not not so clean. Jörg Bermeister and Jan Magnusson’s epic last-lap struggle, while exciting, was not in keeping with the driving standards set by the Americans Le Mans Series.
Bergmeister, driving the #45 Flying Lizard Porsche RSR, had already won the series, but he wanted to win the race. Jan Magnusson in the Corvette Racing Corvette C wanted equally to win, and he had a faster car. However, Bergmeister was ahead of him, and was doing everything the rules allowed to keep the Corvette from passing.
As the end of the race neared, Magnusson resorted to swerving onto pit lane to get past the Porsche, but the race stewards radioed to him that he had to give back the position, because he made the pass by using an illegal shortcut.
More frustrated than ever, Magnusson rammed Bergmeister coming into the final turn of the final lap. While Bergmeister struggled to control his car, Magnusson pushed past on the inside.
Unwilling to be beaten by such tactics, Bergmeister responded by pushing Magnusson towards the inside wall. Magnusson had to turn sharply to avoid hitting the wall, and this sent him spinning across the track and headfirst into the outside wall with enough force to lift the back of the car completely off the track.
“I was clear ahead going into the last corner, and he just drilled me,” Jörg Bergmeister explained. “I didn’t want it to end like that but he started it and I wasn’t giving that one away.”
Magnusson was not injured, and the stewards chose not to penalize the drivers. Hopefully, something will be said after the season ends; this kind of driving, while accepted in some series, has no place in the American Le Mans Series.
10-12-2009, 09:57 AM
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I don't blame the Porsche driver. The Corvette driver went to overtake him on the inside and the Porsche driver kept it tight. The Porsche driver may have "bumped" him toward the wall, but I don't believe he caused the wreck. If his "bump" had, he would've be taken out too. I found a clearer video and there is very very minimal damage to the Porsche. If he had pushed him that hard, there would have definitely been a lot more damage to the Porsche. The Corvette driver seems to be be pretty "bump" happy as it is and I'm actually wondering if he got pissed when the Porsche driver go in close and tried taking them both out.
Clearer video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CBeuoJmZ7g
Clearer video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CBeuoJmZ7g
10-12-2009, 09:58 AM
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You can clearly see that the Corvette made the pass and was in front going to the line when the Porsche pitted the Corvette causing him to spin. Yea he bumped him to get the advantage, but really what would the Porsche be losing. They had the championship on lock, he chose to endanger another driver by crashing him to get this last win. Douche bag!!
10-12-2009, 10:17 AM
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You can clearly see that the Corvette made the pass and was in front going to the line when the Porsche pitted the Corvette causing him to spin. Yea he bumped him to get the advantage, but really what would the Porsche be losing. They had the championship on lock, he chose to endanger another driver by crashing him to get this last win. Douche bag!!
10-12-2009, 10:31 AM
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You can clearly see that the Corvette made the pass and was in front going to the line when the Porsche pitted the Corvette causing him to spin. Yea he bumped him to get the advantage, but really what would the Porsche be losing. They had the championship on lock, he chose to endanger another driver by crashing him to get this last win. Douche bag!!
10-12-2009, 10:55 AM
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that is not rubbin? how can you say it is? The whole rest of the lap is rubbing.............but he runs the guy straight into the wall, he should have given him room. WHen you both fight for the same spot thats one thing, but he drove him off the side on the last lap.
the real fact is the porsche is slower, and he knew the vette would overtake him by the finish.
that **** was dirtier than nascar.
the only excuse would be bergmeister was too tired to realize he wasn't just just keep it tight, but that he rammed him into the wall..
this isn't a circle track of old buicks
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turn 2 the porsche is way slower, the vette outbrakes him and the porsche knocks him off the track.....because he can't keep his rear end planted. The vette gets ****ed over in this no question.
that is not rubbin? how can you say it is? The whole rest of the lap is rubbing.............but he runs the guy straight into the wall, he should have given him room. WHen you both fight for the same spot thats one thing, but he drove him off the side on the last lap.
the real fact is the porsche is slower, and he knew the vette would overtake him by the finish.
that **** was dirtier than nascar.
that is not rubbin? how can you say it is? The whole rest of the lap is rubbing.............but he runs the guy straight into the wall, he should have given him room. WHen you both fight for the same spot thats one thing, but he drove him off the side on the last lap.
the real fact is the porsche is slower, and he knew the vette would overtake him by the finish.
that **** was dirtier than nascar.
10-12-2009, 11:08 AM
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obviously hes gonna pass, the vette is a faster car no question and the porsche driver knew it.......and he was scared he mite pass by the finish so he made finishing impossible.
Magnussen raced tight but I never saw him try to **** anyone over like that. When he bumped he didn't try to send people off, just to make it exciting.
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10-12-2009, 11:14 AM
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what that video does not show you was the previous lap that the Vette used pit lane to pass the Porsche and then the track steward called to allow the Porsche to retake the position due to an illegal pass.. so the stage was set.
outbreaking =/= going hot into a turn and trying to hold the outside line, and not being able to do so.
Vette goes hot into turn one and tries to pass on the outside, takes up the Porsche's line and gets knocked for it, nothing wrong there, he was trying to be aggressive and could not pull it off.
holds him off till turn 11 and then the Vette punts the Porsche and allows him to get around next to the wall. The Porsche tries to close the door but the vette hits the wall trying to get around and pitts himself against the wall and the Porsche. The Porsche has to steer away from the Vette (why he continues to go straight and not dragged into the wall with the Vette) and the one responsible for the actions end up in a crash.
It does not matter that the Vette was faster than the Porsche, this is racing. Magnusson could not wait for a clean pass and was trying to muscle his way past Bermeister instead of trying to make a good attempt.
As the end of the race neared, Magnusson resorted to swerving onto pit lane to get past the Porsche, but the race stewards radioed to him that he had to give back the position, because he made the pass by using an illegal shortcut.
Vette goes hot into turn one and tries to pass on the outside, takes up the Porsche's line and gets knocked for it, nothing wrong there, he was trying to be aggressive and could not pull it off.
holds him off till turn 11 and then the Vette punts the Porsche and allows him to get around next to the wall. The Porsche tries to close the door but the vette hits the wall trying to get around and pitts himself against the wall and the Porsche. The Porsche has to steer away from the Vette (why he continues to go straight and not dragged into the wall with the Vette) and the one responsible for the actions end up in a crash.
It does not matter that the Vette was faster than the Porsche, this is racing. Magnusson could not wait for a clean pass and was trying to muscle his way past Bermeister instead of trying to make a good attempt.
10-12-2009, 11:18 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think it is legal for the Porsche to make a move to protect his position. Now if the Corvette faked left and then right and the Porsche blocked left then right, then that would be illegal. Not nice? Yeah. Douchey? Maybe. I think I would like to see history on both of these guys to see if either has a history of these kind of shenanigans.
I'm not saying the Porsche did not escort him over to the wall, but it didn't look to me like he pitted him intentionally. It looked like, to me, that the Corvette hit the wall, tried to make room, then pitted himself into the Porsche.
I'm not saying the Porsche did not escort him over to the wall, but it didn't look to me like he pitted him intentionally. It looked like, to me, that the Corvette hit the wall, tried to make room, then pitted himself into the Porsche.
10-12-2009, 11:22 AM
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what that video does not show you was the previous lap that the Vette used pit lane to pass the Porsche and then the track steward called to allow the Porsche to retake the position due to an illegal pass.. so the stage was set.
outbreaking =/= going hot into a turn and trying to hold the outside line, and not being able to do so.
Vette goes hot into turn one and tries to pass on the outside, takes up the Porsche's line and gets knocked for it, nothing wrong there, he was trying to be aggressive and could not pull it off.
holds him off till turn 11 and then the Vette punts the Porsche and allows him to get around next to the wall. The Porsche tries to close the door but the vette hits the wall trying to get around and pitts himself against the wall and the Porsche. The Porsche has to steer away from the Vette (why he continues to go straight and not dragged into the wall with the Vette) and the one responsible for the actions end up in a crash.
It does not matter that the Vette was faster than the Porsche, this is racing. Magnusson could not wait for a clean pass and was trying to muscle his way past Bermeister instead of trying to make a good attempt.
outbreaking =/= going hot into a turn and trying to hold the outside line, and not being able to do so.
Vette goes hot into turn one and tries to pass on the outside, takes up the Porsche's line and gets knocked for it, nothing wrong there, he was trying to be aggressive and could not pull it off.
holds him off till turn 11 and then the Vette punts the Porsche and allows him to get around next to the wall. The Porsche tries to close the door but the vette hits the wall trying to get around and pitts himself against the wall and the Porsche. The Porsche has to steer away from the Vette (why he continues to go straight and not dragged into the wall with the Vette) and the one responsible for the actions end up in a crash.
It does not matter that the Vette was faster than the Porsche, this is racing. Magnusson could not wait for a clean pass and was trying to muscle his way past Bermeister instead of trying to make a good attempt.