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Old 05-22-2003, 12:49 AM
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Fellow Autox's plz read

I was wondering someone told me that i need at least 1 cat to autox and i was wondering if it is true... Thanks for the help

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no i know people that run catless
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It depends on what class you want to run in and the car you have.

So, depending on the car

(GC8/GDA)

GS/DS (D-Stock) car must remain basiclly stock.

DSP/ESP (STreet prepared) You can run with out CATS but you will be running against mustangs and camaros that are very well prepped. In this class, you can tweak the exhaust, headers, intercooler, but you cannot change the boost controller or BOV.

(STS/STX) Street touring Basically the same as street prepared, but with the added restrictions that you can't change the intercooler along with the boost control or BOV.

SM Street mod. just about anything goes. You need a big budget to spend... I mean race here.

Read the rules on this site. this will give you a good idea of what you can do. When reading the rules, interpret them like this. If the rules don't say you can, then it's probably illegal for that class.

http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/

If you have questions feel free to post away!

Come on down to candlestick park saturday, the SCCA will be holding an autox there. Most of the will be running in the morning... j/k

http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/
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Aight thanks for the info. I heard that there will be autox at Infineon raceway i was wondering if its true???



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ESP (or any street prepared class, for that matter) allows deletion of all emissions control devices.

STX requires to pass a tailpipe test. If you tuned it right, you MIGHT be able to do this WITHOUT cats......but it isn't likely

No Autox that I know of (and I know of basically all of them in the Bay Area )coming up anytime remotely soon at Infineon.
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This is a good overview that's a sticky on nasioc's autosports forum:

Stock Rules (DS, GS)

The following modifications are allowed in stock class:

All factory options, e. g. rear spoiler, diff protector, armrest extension (questionable, because they are actually installed at the port, waiting for clarification).

Appearence, comfort and convenience options, e. g. gauges, alarms, turbo timers, shift *****.

Removal of spare tire, tools and jack.

Harness (seat belts cannot be removed).

Any DOT approved tires (see rules for restrictions), including R-compounds, of any size (no modification of fender well).

Wheels (stock size only, offset within 0.25" of stock).

Lug nuts.

Brake pads, speed bleeders.

Shocks that maintain stock ride height, can be adjustable. See rule book for details!

Front sway bar.

Different alignment using factory adjustments (no camber bolts).

Spark plugs and plug wires.

Air filter element can be removed or replaced.

Cat-back exhaust.


STS Rules

All modifications from the Stock rules are allowed, except for:

Tires only up to 225 width, and at least 140 tread wear rating.

In addition, the following modifications are allowed:

Remove air condition.

Pedal covers.

Seat (fully padded and upholstered with reclining back).

Removal of factory emblems (debadging).

Rolling of inside fender lip.

Body kits.

Wheels up to 7.5" width.

Cross drilled and slotted brake rotors (standard size).

Brake lines, e. g. stainless steel.

Air ducts for brakes.

Shocks (fewer restrictions than stock). No electronic adjustment, like Tein EDFC!

Springs (can be height adjustable, e. g. coilovers).

Any suspension bushings, except for metal.

Adjustable camber plates.

Rear sway bar.

Strut bars.

Battery, relocation of battery (to trunk).

Air Intake.

Headers.

Reprogrammed ECU or piggyback that controls ignition and fuel by modifying inputs to ECU.

Short-throw shifter.

Crankshaft and accessory pulleys.


STX Rules

All modifications from the STS rules are allowed. In addition, the following modifications are allowed:

STi engine and transmission mounts (no rear differential mounts).

Seat (fully padded and upholstered, not constructed of solid outer shell).

Tires up to 245 width.

Wheels up to 8.0" width.

Any brake rotors and calipers.

Uppipe (can be catless).

Turbo-back exhaust. Must contain at least one (high-flow) cat placed within 6" of the original location of the primary (last?) cat.

ECU reprogramming or piggyback, see STS. No changes to boost control are permitted. Examples of allowed devices: Vishnu Unichip, Cobb Unichip without Boost Control Unit, Apexi S-AFC. Examples of illegal devices: TurboXS Unichip (controls boost), UTEC (acts as a standalone for timing control).



Street Prepared Rules

All modifications from the STX rules are allowed, except for:

Removal of factory emblems (debadging).

Body kits (only front and rear spoiler allowed).

Non-standard brake rotors and calipers.

Engine and transmission mounts.

In addition, the following modifications are allowed:

Some updating/backdating with parts from different model years, see rule book for details.

Modification (e. g. rolling) of fenders for tire clearance.

Seat (fully padded and upholstered), including seat tracks.

Remove seatbelt for replacement with harness that meets safety restrictions.

Any steering wheel.

Front spoiler.

Rear spoiler.

Any DOT approved tires (see rules for restrictions), including R-compounds, of any size.

Wheels of any size.

Cross drilled and/or slotted brake rotors (metal, standard size).

Brake cylinder.

Disabled ABS (not removed).

Intake water injection.

Fuel injectors and pump.

Intercooler (including hoses).

Turbo-back exhaust (no cats required).

Clutch (metal).

Flywheel (metal).

Shifter and shift linkage, e. g. short throw shifter.

Differentials.

Standalone engine management for non-turbo car (?).

Port matching.
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Street Modified

Consult the rule book for details of the Street Modified rules. Street Modified inherits all allowances from Street Touring and Street Prepared. The following does not attempt to list all additional modifications that are legal in this class, it just lists a few popular mods that are common in Street Modified, but not allowed in Stock, Street Touring or Street Prepared:

Certain replaced body parts: e. g. carbon fiber hood, fenders.

Larger hood scoop, hood scoop splitter.

Removed rear seats.

Suspension control arms, lateral and trailing links.

Camber bolts.

Different/updated turbo.

Blow-off valve.

Intercooler water spray (?).

Any kind of boost control (MBC, EBC).

Any other changes to boost control, like the popular resistor mod.

Engine management systems that modify boost, e. g. Unichip with boost control unit, as sold by TurboXS and Cobb, or UTEC.

Standalone engine management.

Internal engine modifications.

Engine transplant with different Subaru engine.

Different/updated transmission.


Beyond Street Modified

Consult the rule book for Prepared and Modified categories. The following list is just a reminder of a few popular mods that are not allowed in Stock, Street Touring, Street Prepared or Street Modified, they will put you into Prepared/Modified classes where you will be competing with race cars:

Replaced body parts not allowed in SM: e. g. trunk lid, STi bumper beams (?).

Weight reduction not explicitly allowed in SM: e. g. gutted interiour, removed heater, wipers, lights.

Tires that are not DOT approved (racing slicks).

Anti-Lift Kit.



Not Allowed In Any Class

The following are not allowed in any class:

Nitrous (bottles not allowed on event sites for safety reasons).



Uncertain Mods

No clear rules are currently available for the following popular mods:

Ground wire mod.
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why the hell is debadging against the rules for stock and street??
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Originally posted by 02BlackWRX
why the hell is debadging against the rules for stock and street??
I have no clue. The only reason I can come up with is that 0.25 lb. weight reduction.
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So, has anyone tested the "Any Brake Rotors or Calipers" deal in STX?

If it's legal, I'd probably be looking at bigger brakes (i.e. Stoptech, or even just the Subaru 4-pots) next year. I'd like to go to a few track days, and quite honestly after I've gotten used to my (very NON-stock) Impala SS brakes the ones in the Subaru (even with upgraded pads/lines/fluid) feel pretty crappy in comparison.

Don't wanna knock myself out of STX for them though
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Originally posted by 02BlackWRX
why the hell is debadging against the rules for stock and street??
Although it is against the rules, I'd be really surprised if anyone challenged you over it at a regular SFR event. I think that they are more concerned about removing large pieces of stock trim etc.
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Originally posted by Lorry
Although it is against the rules, I'd be really surprised if anyone challenged you over it at a regular SFR event. I think that they are more concerned about removing large pieces of stock trim etc.
they specifically say debadging though....they dont mention anything about any exterior trims...
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The rule was probably written to handle the senario of debagging a late 60's or early 70's car that probably involved removing more than a few pounds of crome.
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I was looking at the debadging, too. That would have moved me from ESP to SM, last month. Nobody out here has said anything, though, and I'll be in SM next month, anyway. Interesting.
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