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Old 09-24-2008, 04:18 PM
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I just don't understand how it directly keeps us from the next depression. I mean we are giving this money out to mainly foreign investors, and we are printing more money at interest we have to pay back......I mean.........

i don't even see how its suppose to help? except the scare factor.
See, it's kinda like how opening up new area's to drill for oil both in the wilderness and off our coasts helps free us from our dependence on foreign oil... oh wait...
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Originally Posted by slow04wrx
I just don't understand how it directly keeps us from the next depression. I mean we are giving this money out to mainly foreign investors, and we are printing more money at interest we have to pay back......I mean.........

i don't even see how its suppose to help? except the scare factor.
They money isn't going to foreign investors, I dont know where you got that piece of misinformation from. The money is going to prevent the collapse of the largest financial institutions by infusing them with capital allowing them to do business thus saving the entire financial system. If banks have no capital, they cannot do business, if banks cannot do business no one can do business and the market goes stagnant and takes a nose dive.

Also, we dont print money at interest we have to pay back. The government prints money, what happens when the being to print more money is the value of the dollar plummets due to the market being flooded with dollars and inflation skyrockets.
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The economy needs a nosedive.
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No, the proposed $700 Billion is supposed to prevent the next great depression. The AIG bailout was completely different.
sorry mis quoted
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Originally Posted by subie OCD
The economy needs a nosedive.
unfortunately true. Things can get artificially inflated and cause huge issues.
Our dollar isn't worth a damn thing and it might take something like this to wake the government up and cause a shift in financial thought process.

But I doubt it. Congress is full of rich white people that are friends with all the other rich white people that are benefiting from all this. Long as the 1 percent are happy **** the non existant middle class.
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Originally Posted by jewpac42
No, the proposed $700 Billion is supposed to prevent the next great depression. The AIG bailout was completely different.
The AIG "bailout" was a short term loan at very high interest that nobody with half a clue expects will get paid back, its going to pay for executives to fold up the company which- in case you didn't know was actually founded in China...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_B.../JI18Cb02.html

So whoever suggested that these bailouts will wind up paying off foreign investors isn't too far off the mark.

It sure as hell isn't going to do crap to help our domestic economy- until someone addresses the cause of our problems (overpaid executives making stupid decisions) any attempt at "saving" our economy by printing up and throwing more money at failing companies is like trying to put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.
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Originally Posted by psoper
The AIG "bailout" was a short term loan at very high interest that nobody with half a clue expects will get paid back, its going to pay for executives to fold up the company which- in case you didn't know was actually founded in China...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_B.../JI18Cb02.html

So whoever suggested that these bailouts will wind up paying off foreign investors isn't too far off the mark.

It sure as hell isn't going to do crap to help our domestic economy- until someone addresses the cause of our problems (overpaid executives making stupid decisions) any attempt at "saving" our economy by printing up and throwing more money at failing companies is like trying to put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.
11% right?
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Yep 11% on like either a 60 or 90 day note, so we can expect to hear about AIG's ultimate demise right after the election....
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saw this comment over on sfgate.com and thought it was funny

"I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend. ” by cosmic_ray
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I still think they should tax the pants off anyone making over oh I don't know how about we say 2 million a year- make it progressive so nobody takes home more then say 10 mil, and make it retroactive so these bastards and others who can afford it can pay their own way out the mess they made.
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Originally Posted by psoper
I still think they should tax the pants off anyone making over oh I don't know how about we say 2 million a year- make it progressive so nobody takes home more then say 10 mil, and make it retroactive so these bastards and others who can afford it can pay their own way out the mess they made.
i think some people are earning thier money look at thier companies
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Originally Posted by psoper
The AIG "bailout" was a short term loan at very high interest that nobody with half a clue expects will get paid back, its going to pay for executives to fold up the company which- in case you didn't know was actually founded in China...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_B.../JI18Cb02.html

So whoever suggested that these bailouts will wind up paying off foreign investors isn't too far off the mark.

It sure as hell isn't going to do crap to help our domestic economy- until someone addresses the cause of our problems (overpaid executives making stupid decisions) any attempt at "saving" our economy by printing up and throwing more money at failing companies is like trying to put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it.
yes I believe that over half the bailout went directly to China Investors, that isn't misinformation, unless KGO and all of its news is wrong, and cnn as well. As far as I can tell it's completely true.

The money should go ONLY to help, not to fatten pockets of individuals.

What kills me is a few billion already went to hi level execs, they are raping our leather cherrio hole
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sigma pi
i think some people are earning thier money look at thier companies
Name me one person in the entire frigging world whose annual personal contribution to the well being of their company or for that matter- the well being of society- is more than a net 10 million dollars.


I don't think such a valuable person exists, despite the fact that several thousand individuals pull in considerably more, I contend those to be ill-gotten gains, either directly or indirectly at the expense of taxpayers or else through ruthless exploitation of shareholder trust or labor/worker generated wealth.
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Originally Posted by psoper
I still think they should tax the pants off anyone making over oh I don't know how about we say 2 million a year- make it progressive so nobody takes home more then say 10 mil, and make it retroactive so these bastards and others who can afford it can pay their own way out the mess they made.

Are you talking about any person or CEO types?
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:31 AM
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I wouldn't object to throwing rock stars and sports figures in with the CEO's- they can afford it, and they have been beneficiaries of governmental subsidies and all that too, I think when you really look into it you'll find that most people in that tax bracket have a lot of stuff leveraged into the Wall Street Casino that is currently threatening- essentially blackmailing the treasury for a trillion dollars...

I know people like you will try to argue that some people actually "earn" this kind of money but I just can't buy that.
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