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Old 05-04-2006 | 02:23 PM
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doesnt anyone know the 5th amendment???????
Yeah, something along no random searches unless there is a probable cause. If I smell catless, I'd deem it good enough a probable cause.
Old 05-04-2006 | 02:30 PM
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Yeah, something along no random searches unless there is a probable cause. If I smell catless, I'd deem it good enough a probable cause.
LOL. No, 'unreasonable search & seizure' is the 4th .

5th is the right not to incriminate one's self under oath.
Old 05-04-2006 | 02:32 PM
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The cutoff date is permenatly at '75 now... Which sucks for my '78 wagon

There are going to be more and more actually educated in terms of mods officers out there. I highly recomend people stick to stealthy mods.

Love my '71 Datsun 510! So my plan will eventually be to put my suby "almost" back to stock, so I dont have to worry about getting busted for emissions related crap.....but my Datsun will get the crap modded out of it, and I wont ever have to worry about getting busted for "Illegal" mods.

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Old 05-04-2006 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mcowger
LOL. No, 'unreasonable search & seizure' is the 4th .

5th is the right not to incriminate one's self under oath.
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Old 05-04-2006 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HellaDumb
If I were a cop I'd nail anybody who runs catless... there is no freaking excuse to deliberately pollute the air.
Word.
Old 05-04-2006 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by STi-owns-evo
Why pollute that much more for an extra 10whp?
Because you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
Old 05-04-2006 | 03:23 PM
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Because you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
lol, winner!
Old 05-04-2006 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by STi-owns-evo
Yeah, something along no random searches unless there is a probable cause. If I smell catless, I'd deem it good enough a probable cause.

Is your nose a calibrated scientific instrument? Can you smog test cars with your nose?

Sorry, but probable cause in this instance would be you saying that you were catless. That would give him cause to look into the rest of your car, but when it comes down to it all the officer can really do is send you to the state ref.

Another thing: all this talk about impounding your car. Emissions compliance is not enough of a reason to impound someone's car. Sorry to let you all down. The threat of "I'll impound your car" needs to be backed up with some other violation other than emissions compliance. Think about it this way: if you fail a smog check do they not let you drive your car home? He might be able to impound your car if you were reckless driving/exhibition of speed/speed contest/dui where you would have a suspended liscense, but he won't be able to impound it for emissions. Basically unless the driver of the car can't be legally driving, or you were street racing they can't take your car.

Generally if they threaten to take your car they are doing it on the grounds that they are going to give you some kind of high point ticket like speed contest.



Here's a couple links to how the CHP will impound your car:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/impound.html
http://www.chp.ca.gov/community/html/apitaskforce.html
Old 05-04-2006 | 03:43 PM
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Of course, HellaDumb, that is why cops are COPS and not judges. Because we need people like that to concern themselves with only those details that don't really matter in the big picture.

my point is, think hard about how many people in the world run catless. Now, how many people dump their used motor oil and WASH THEIR CAR (yes, washing your car at home is illegal).

Now, think a factory where SOLAR CELLS are made: a silicon fab, because solar cells are made the same way integrated circuits are made. Christ you have no idea what it takes to run a silicon fab. To be class 100 clean to make average quality solar cells (100 particles 100 microns or more in diameter per cubic meter) you consume around 10 megawatts for a medium sized fab in fans to drive the HEPA filters alone.

A silicon fab also puts out the absolute worst chemcals known to man. The absolute worst. I am no expert on this pollution thing but it probably takes more than the entire population of catless cars in the world to equal the detriment directly and indirectly caused by a fab the size of say one of Intel's facilities.

Cause when you think about it, it's the concentration but the actual quantity of pollution a catless car puts out isn't very much. The only thing you can really argue about catless cars is the "every litte bit helps" thing. But yes, that's why I said society needs people who can't work on actual solutions to problems, to care about the "every little bit" things.



And that is why, if I were a cop, I would not nail everyone who runs catless. Just the ones that run catless and don't make good power. That's just polluting for no reason


Pretty much: catless cars aren't even close to the biggest concerns in the world for pollution. Every little bit does help, but it's like someone took a fat dump in your living room and you just sprayed some air freshener.

I look at all the big rigs on the road and I know they are causing way more pollution than I ever will. Why is it ok for them? They are running a business and making money while crapping on air quality.


2 wrongs don't make a right, so running catless is still not the most responsible thing, but where you draw the line is your own opinion. Some people would say we are all bad for buying gas guzzling sports cars. You increase WHP at all and you are consuming more fuel. You could have spent your money on a hybrid or a bicycle. What we have here is a 285lb fat guy telling a 300lb fat guy he shouldn't eat Easy Cheese.
Old 05-04-2006 | 03:44 PM
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where did he get pulled over at
Old 05-04-2006 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicsuby
Because you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
You owe me $80 for a new wireless keyboard because I just snorted coke through my nose all over it. Plus $50 for pain and suffering. I take Paypal.
Old 05-04-2006 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by verc
WASH THEIR CAR (yes, washing your car at home is illegal).
Thats pretty hard to believe. What makes washing your car at home illegal?
Old 05-04-2006 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by STiyLish WRX
Thats pretty hard to believe. What makes washing your car at home illegal?
Basically washing your car creates an illicit discharge into the storm sewer system. Now to be in accordance with the EPA's NPDES (National Pollutant Discharge Ellimination System) Phase I & II permiting requirements, the local municipalities SWMP (Storm Water Manangement Plan) must set up goals to prevent any illicit discharges (along with other things) to the storm sewers. While NPDES Phase II primarily deals with construction activity, the municipality is responsible for all stormwater discharge from it's systems. While you won't have a cop come by and give you a ticket for washing your car, most cities will encourage you to not wash your car at home and take it to a full service car wash where they have a closed system and treat and recycle the water. By this encouragement/recommendation they fall into accordance with the NPDES permit. It is not however a law directed towards an individual.

I hope that makes sense.
Old 05-04-2006 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jonp
Is your nose a calibrated scientific instrument? Can you smog test cars with your nose?

Sorry, but probable cause in this instance would be you saying that you were catless. That would give him cause to look into the rest of your car, but when it comes down to it all the officer can really do is send you to the state ref.

Another thing: all this talk about impounding your car. Emissions compliance is not enough of a reason to impound someone's car. Sorry to let you all down. The threat of "I'll impound your car" needs to be backed up with some other violation other than emissions compliance. Think about it this way: if you fail a smog check do they not let you drive your car home? He might be able to impound your car if you were reckless driving/exhibition of speed/speed contest/dui where you would have a suspended liscense, but he won't be able to impound it for emissions. Basically unless the driver of the car can't be legally driving, or you were street racing they can't take your car.

Generally if they threaten to take your car they are doing it on the grounds that they are going to give you some kind of high point ticket like speed contest.



Here's a couple links to how the CHP will impound your car:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/impound.html
http://www.chp.ca.gov/community/html/apitaskforce.html
Do I need a "scientific instrument" to smell a catless suby? If I was a cop, would I need to know the exact amount of NOx, CO, CO2, and everything else that was coming out of the exhaust if I could smell it was catless? NO, that's what a smog station is for, but YES I can tell the difference between a catless WRX and a catted WRX. Also, one of the 3 cats are clearly visible under the car which isn't hard to see. Tampering with any of the emission systems on a car is ILLEGAL.

I never said this could and would lead to impounding, I was stated it gives him rights to search the car for other infractions. Read my post. Also, if the cop is knowledgable about Subarus, then they can ticket you for tampering with the emission systems on a vehicle and take pictures of the car for evidence. He can do more than just send you to a state ref.
Old 05-04-2006 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jonp
Is your nose a calibrated scientific instrument? Can you smog test cars with your nose?
Are you freaking kidding? If a stock STi exhaust and a spoiler are 'probable cause' enough to pull someone over, then the VERY OBVIOUS smell of a catless car definitely would be. And yes, it's very obvious.



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