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Originally Posted by ldivinag
doesnt anyone know the 5th amendment???????
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Originally Posted by STi-owns-evo
Yeah, something along no random searches unless there is a probable cause. If I smell catless, I'd deem it good enough a probable cause.
5th is the right not to incriminate one's self under oath.
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Originally Posted by Kostamojen
The cutoff date is permenatly at '75 now... Which sucks for my '78 wagon
There are going to be more and more actually educated in terms of mods officers out there. I highly recomend people stick to stealthy mods.
There are going to be more and more actually educated in terms of mods officers out there. I highly recomend people stick to stealthy mods.
Love my '71 Datsun 510! So my plan will eventually be to put my suby "almost" back to stock, so I dont have to worry about getting busted for emissions related crap.....but my Datsun will get the crap modded out of it, and I wont ever have to worry about getting busted for "Illegal" mods.
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#38
Originally Posted by STi-owns-evo
Yeah, something along no random searches unless there is a probable cause. If I smell catless, I'd deem it good enough a probable cause.
Is your nose a calibrated scientific instrument? Can you smog test cars with your nose?
Sorry, but probable cause in this instance would be you saying that you were catless. That would give him cause to look into the rest of your car, but when it comes down to it all the officer can really do is send you to the state ref.
Another thing: all this talk about impounding your car. Emissions compliance is not enough of a reason to impound someone's car. Sorry to let you all down. The threat of "I'll impound your car" needs to be backed up with some other violation other than emissions compliance. Think about it this way: if you fail a smog check do they not let you drive your car home? He might be able to impound your car if you were reckless driving/exhibition of speed/speed contest/dui where you would have a suspended liscense, but he won't be able to impound it for emissions. Basically unless the driver of the car can't be legally driving, or you were street racing they can't take your car.
Generally if they threaten to take your car they are doing it on the grounds that they are going to give you some kind of high point ticket like speed contest.
Here's a couple links to how the CHP will impound your car:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/impound.html
http://www.chp.ca.gov/community/html/apitaskforce.html
#39
Originally Posted by verc
Of course, HellaDumb, that is why cops are COPS and not judges. Because we need people like that to concern themselves with only those details that don't really matter in the big picture.
my point is, think hard about how many people in the world run catless. Now, how many people dump their used motor oil and WASH THEIR CAR (yes, washing your car at home is illegal).
Now, think a factory where SOLAR CELLS are made: a silicon fab, because solar cells are made the same way integrated circuits are made. Christ you have no idea what it takes to run a silicon fab. To be class 100 clean to make average quality solar cells (100 particles 100 microns or more in diameter per cubic meter) you consume around 10 megawatts for a medium sized fab in fans to drive the HEPA filters alone.
A silicon fab also puts out the absolute worst chemcals known to man. The absolute worst. I am no expert on this pollution thing but it probably takes more than the entire population of catless cars in the world to equal the detriment directly and indirectly caused by a fab the size of say one of Intel's facilities.
Cause when you think about it, it's the concentration but the actual quantity of pollution a catless car puts out isn't very much. The only thing you can really argue about catless cars is the "every litte bit helps" thing. But yes, that's why I said society needs people who can't work on actual solutions to problems, to care about the "every little bit" things.
And that is why, if I were a cop, I would not nail everyone who runs catless. Just the ones that run catless and don't make good power. That's just polluting for no reason
my point is, think hard about how many people in the world run catless. Now, how many people dump their used motor oil and WASH THEIR CAR (yes, washing your car at home is illegal).
Now, think a factory where SOLAR CELLS are made: a silicon fab, because solar cells are made the same way integrated circuits are made. Christ you have no idea what it takes to run a silicon fab. To be class 100 clean to make average quality solar cells (100 particles 100 microns or more in diameter per cubic meter) you consume around 10 megawatts for a medium sized fab in fans to drive the HEPA filters alone.
A silicon fab also puts out the absolute worst chemcals known to man. The absolute worst. I am no expert on this pollution thing but it probably takes more than the entire population of catless cars in the world to equal the detriment directly and indirectly caused by a fab the size of say one of Intel's facilities.
Cause when you think about it, it's the concentration but the actual quantity of pollution a catless car puts out isn't very much. The only thing you can really argue about catless cars is the "every litte bit helps" thing. But yes, that's why I said society needs people who can't work on actual solutions to problems, to care about the "every little bit" things.
And that is why, if I were a cop, I would not nail everyone who runs catless. Just the ones that run catless and don't make good power. That's just polluting for no reason
Pretty much: catless cars aren't even close to the biggest concerns in the world for pollution. Every little bit does help, but it's like someone took a fat dump in your living room and you just sprayed some air freshener.
I look at all the big rigs on the road and I know they are causing way more pollution than I ever will. Why is it ok for them? They are running a business and making money while crapping on air quality.
2 wrongs don't make a right, so running catless is still not the most responsible thing, but where you draw the line is your own opinion. Some people would say we are all bad for buying gas guzzling sports cars. You increase WHP at all and you are consuming more fuel. You could have spent your money on a hybrid or a bicycle. What we have here is a 285lb fat guy telling a 300lb fat guy he shouldn't eat Easy Cheese.
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Originally Posted by sonicsuby
Because you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
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Originally Posted by STiyLish WRX
Thats pretty hard to believe. What makes washing your car at home illegal?
I hope that makes sense.
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Originally Posted by jonp
Is your nose a calibrated scientific instrument? Can you smog test cars with your nose?
Sorry, but probable cause in this instance would be you saying that you were catless. That would give him cause to look into the rest of your car, but when it comes down to it all the officer can really do is send you to the state ref.
Another thing: all this talk about impounding your car. Emissions compliance is not enough of a reason to impound someone's car. Sorry to let you all down. The threat of "I'll impound your car" needs to be backed up with some other violation other than emissions compliance. Think about it this way: if you fail a smog check do they not let you drive your car home? He might be able to impound your car if you were reckless driving/exhibition of speed/speed contest/dui where you would have a suspended liscense, but he won't be able to impound it for emissions. Basically unless the driver of the car can't be legally driving, or you were street racing they can't take your car.
Generally if they threaten to take your car they are doing it on the grounds that they are going to give you some kind of high point ticket like speed contest.
Here's a couple links to how the CHP will impound your car:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/impound.html
http://www.chp.ca.gov/community/html/apitaskforce.html
Sorry, but probable cause in this instance would be you saying that you were catless. That would give him cause to look into the rest of your car, but when it comes down to it all the officer can really do is send you to the state ref.
Another thing: all this talk about impounding your car. Emissions compliance is not enough of a reason to impound someone's car. Sorry to let you all down. The threat of "I'll impound your car" needs to be backed up with some other violation other than emissions compliance. Think about it this way: if you fail a smog check do they not let you drive your car home? He might be able to impound your car if you were reckless driving/exhibition of speed/speed contest/dui where you would have a suspended liscense, but he won't be able to impound it for emissions. Basically unless the driver of the car can't be legally driving, or you were street racing they can't take your car.
Generally if they threaten to take your car they are doing it on the grounds that they are going to give you some kind of high point ticket like speed contest.
Here's a couple links to how the CHP will impound your car:
http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/impound.html
http://www.chp.ca.gov/community/html/apitaskforce.html
I never said this could and would lead to impounding, I was stated it gives him rights to search the car for other infractions. Read my post. Also, if the cop is knowledgable about Subarus, then they can ticket you for tampering with the emission systems on a vehicle and take pictures of the car for evidence. He can do more than just send you to a state ref.
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Originally Posted by jonp
Is your nose a calibrated scientific instrument? Can you smog test cars with your nose?