E85 Fun with the VF39 in the Bay Area!
01-06-2010, 11:34 AM
#66
In simple terms a pretty big conversion of lines, injectors, etc. Basically anything that has to do with fuel which basically equals to a really fat grave for your wallet.
01-06-2010, 12:56 PM
#68
The research I've done suggests that the modern rubber neoprene lines, gaskets, and seals are built to withstand the corrosive effects of water in ethanol and gasoline. Only older cars that used more steel in the fuel systems or cork gaskets may have issues from long term exposure to water or 100% ethanol.
From more direct experience, there are many EVO's that have been running E-85 for the past few years with no issues. The local Subaru crowd is just starting to adopt the fuel, so I can't speak of any real long term direct experience there. There, are however, many Subaru's around the country that have been running E85 for a while now with no issues either. AFAIK none of these cars have special fuel lines, seals, or gaskets.
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01-06-2010, 03:16 PM
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The New Silverado: An Ethanol (E85) Conversion
by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln
I'm not trying to be a Negative Nancy, but just because you have never heard of a failure doesn't mean that failures are not occurring.
by the University of Nebraska-Lincoln
I'm not trying to be a Negative Nancy, but just because you have never heard of a failure doesn't mean that failures are not occurring.
In order to develop a fully compatible ethanol fuel
system, each component was analyzed in terms of
corrosion penetration and galvanic corrosion. All
components were required to be constructed of stainless
steel or anodized aluminum and all seals were
flurohydrocarbon elastomers. In the entire system, not one
component fully met the requirements as specified, and all
components were therefore replaced or duplicated with a
suitable material.
system, each component was analyzed in terms of
corrosion penetration and galvanic corrosion. All
components were required to be constructed of stainless
steel or anodized aluminum and all seals were
flurohydrocarbon elastomers. In the entire system, not one
component fully met the requirements as specified, and all
components were therefore replaced or duplicated with a
suitable material.
Steel Fuel lines
The carbon steel fuel lines were not considered
E85 compatible, due mostly to the possibility of galvanic
coupling of the steel line with more noble materials.
Corrosion byproduct clogging the fuel injectors and leading
to a lean burn condition and the eventual self destruction
of the engine was a possibility. The carbon steel lines were
thus duplicated with a set of Type 304 stainless steel lines
which retained all of the original factory positions
The carbon steel fuel lines were not considered
E85 compatible, due mostly to the possibility of galvanic
coupling of the steel line with more noble materials.
Corrosion byproduct clogging the fuel injectors and leading
to a lean burn condition and the eventual self destruction
of the engine was a possibility. The carbon steel lines were
thus duplicated with a set of Type 304 stainless steel lines
which retained all of the original factory positions
01-06-2010, 05:08 PM
#73
how much is E85 down there? Around the corner from me i believe its $2.87 gallon
Right now 91oct is $3.15 gallon here.
E85- 300miles-20gallons x $2.87 = $57.40
91- 300miles- 14gallons x $3.15 = $44.10
E85- 210miles-14gallons x $2.87 = $40.18
damn
01-06-2010, 06:53 PM
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E85 is so badass I love that stuff,
I think your going to shatter than 5 speed hahaha, I'm sure it's going to be so damn responsive and so much torque
do it man, join the E85 gangstas haha
01-06-2010, 07:01 PM
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As gas mileage I get about
91 = 14 city 19highway
E85 = 10 city 16highway
The 91 gas station I usually go to is at $3.25
The E85 gas station I always go to is at $2.69
I'm not sure which is costing me more but E85 is way better than the pos we call 91 octane,
it's also very hard to stay off boost on E85 hahaha
91 = 14 city 19highway
E85 = 10 city 16highway
The 91 gas station I usually go to is at $3.25
The E85 gas station I always go to is at $2.69
I'm not sure which is costing me more but E85 is way better than the pos we call 91 octane,
it's also very hard to stay off boost on E85 hahaha