DSL vs Cable
08-10-2007, 01:09 PM
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COMPLETE BULL****.
comcast is 4x faster than DSL's SLOWEST product. 1.5mbps down 384kb up.
Sonic.net DSL is the best internet you can get for reliability.. customer support.. and more. SBC blows *****... but Sonic.net is much better, although you run off the same lines..
and guess what? does comcast guarantee high speeds? HELL NO.
we all heard it.. the more people on in your area, the slower your shiz goes.. the more people on in your area makes no difference unless you have every house in a territory online downloading, maxing their connections out.. and that never ever happens. I worked at Sonic.net for 2 years, and have never seen anyone call up saying "My connection is running slow" unless something was jacked up. for everyday use.. its the best solution.
and this is straight off the comcast website:
WOW i think Sonic.net offers 6mbps.. wait yes they do.. and guess what?? ITS GUARANTEED!
only thing they can't guarantee is that you will be downloading 6mbps off every site/server because obviously they don't control how fast those servers can upload to you... but ****.. 6mbps guaranteed... vs. comcast 6mbps now guaranteed...
who is actually faster?
and you gotta love how comcast compares their best product to DSL's slowest product.. thats like ferrari coming up and saying our Enzo is faster than Porsche..... then in small writing (comparisons were made with Ferrari's Enzo and Porsche's boxster)
its bull**** marketing.. so that you will think and have it stuck in your head.
comcast is 4x faster than DSL's SLOWEST product. 1.5mbps down 384kb up.
Sonic.net DSL is the best internet you can get for reliability.. customer support.. and more. SBC blows *****... but Sonic.net is much better, although you run off the same lines..
and guess what? does comcast guarantee high speeds? HELL NO.
we all heard it.. the more people on in your area, the slower your shiz goes.. the more people on in your area makes no difference unless you have every house in a territory online downloading, maxing their connections out.. and that never ever happens. I worked at Sonic.net for 2 years, and have never seen anyone call up saying "My connection is running slow" unless something was jacked up. for everyday use.. its the best solution.
and this is straight off the comcast website:
WOW i think Sonic.net offers 6mbps.. wait yes they do.. and guess what?? ITS GUARANTEED!
only thing they can't guarantee is that you will be downloading 6mbps off every site/server because obviously they don't control how fast those servers can upload to you... but ****.. 6mbps guaranteed... vs. comcast 6mbps now guaranteed...
who is actually faster?
and you gotta love how comcast compares their best product to DSL's slowest product.. thats like ferrari coming up and saying our Enzo is faster than Porsche..... then in small writing (comparisons were made with Ferrari's Enzo and Porsche's boxster)
its bull**** marketing.. so that you will think and have it stuck in your head.
As to guarentees....sonic.net doesn't offer one either:
Sonic.net, Inc. makes no warranties of any kind, whether express or implied, for the service it is providing. Sonic.net, Inc. will not be held responsible for any damage you suffer from use of an account or service provided by Sonic.net, Inc., unless otherwise agreed to in writing. This includes- but is not limited to- equipment damage, failure or loss of data resulting from delays, non-deliveries, or service interruptions caused by the company's negligence or your negligence or misuse.
Last night I DLed MacOS X updates at 24MBit....let me know when you can do that with your Sonic.net line.
08-10-2007, 01:26 PM
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DSL tech is out at my house right now. trying to make a last attempt to do it right. I have to give them credit for trying. I called this morning and she is out here now. This tech is a bit more knowlegable and able to tell me something I didn't know before. Appearently SJ has some crazy power issue that could cause these kind of signal drop. Oh and guess what? In order to fix that problem, I would need ANOTHER new modem!! 
Fortunately she said if I have an OLD modem it would work too. And guess what I have in my closet? The old SpeedStream 5100a, which is old enough for it to work. She is out to check what other customers are getting near by my area and will be adding a splitter outside of my house to narrow it to a single jack.
Unfortunately with the old modem I can check the SN Margin so I don't know if it's really stable or not. I'll have to wait for her to come back in a bit. Since I'll be keeping the service for a little bit before Comcast is out. SBC can run around a bit.
Fortunately she said if I have an OLD modem it would work too. And guess what I have in my closet? The old SpeedStream 5100a, which is old enough for it to work. She is out to check what other customers are getting near by my area and will be adding a splitter outside of my house to narrow it to a single jack.Unfortunately with the old modem I can check the SN Margin so I don't know if it's really stable or not. I'll have to wait for her to come back in a bit. Since I'll be keeping the service for a little bit before Comcast is out. SBC can run around a bit.
08-10-2007, 01:51 PM
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Actually, its not bull****. Comcast is comparing their slowest product to DSL's slowest. Sounds fair to me.
As to guarentees....sonic.net doesn't offer one either:
As far as slowing down in the neighbourhood - that was true in the DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 days. Check your facts for more recent technlogies like DOCSIS 2.0/2.2 and 3.0 like we have in Bay Area here. They dont suffer from that issue.
Last night I DLed MacOS X updates at 24MBit....let me know when you can do that with your Sonic.net line.
As to guarentees....sonic.net doesn't offer one either:
As far as slowing down in the neighbourhood - that was true in the DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 days. Check your facts for more recent technlogies like DOCSIS 2.0/2.2 and 3.0 like we have in Bay Area here. They dont suffer from that issue.
Last night I DLed MacOS X updates at 24MBit....let me know when you can do that with your Sonic.net line.
08-10-2007, 02:03 PM
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Actually, its not bull****. Comcast is comparing their slowest product to DSL's slowest. Sounds fair to me.
As to guarentees....sonic.net doesn't offer one either:
As far as slowing down in the neighbourhood - that was true in the DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 days. Check your facts for more recent technlogies like DOCSIS 2.0/2.2 and 3.0 like we have in Bay Area here. They dont suffer from that issue.
Last night I DLed MacOS X updates at 24MBit....let me know when you can do that with your Sonic.net line.
As to guarentees....sonic.net doesn't offer one either:
As far as slowing down in the neighbourhood - that was true in the DOCSIS 1.0/1.1 days. Check your facts for more recent technlogies like DOCSIS 2.0/2.2 and 3.0 like we have in Bay Area here. They dont suffer from that issue.
Last night I DLed MacOS X updates at 24MBit....let me know when you can do that with your Sonic.net line.
bull.... they are comparing their 6mbps line. their slowest is 4mbps.
and i cannot find it in writing but i WORKED at sonic.net for 2 yrs dealing with all of this. if someone isn't getting a full 6mbps or a full whatever they are paying for, we send a tech out and get it figured out so they will receive their full speed.. if you're provisioned at 6mbps you will get it.. the way we test if its their connection or if its the server they are downloading on is we have them download a test file from us and have them repeat the speed they are getting back to us.. if its low then something is wrong as we do not cap download speeds to our customers.. and at that point we will do everything to get them that speed.. and if its not possible based on their location they can drop the contract if they are in one..
i would like to see you call up comcast and get any of the following:
**good customer support from english speakers (all sonic support is based out of santa rosa.. about an hour north of SF)
**Get on the phone with tech support in less than a minute(sonic.net's average is under a minute)
**get a static IP address... let alone a block of 8 of them..
**host a server on your connection (clearly against comcast's policy)
**get consistent speeds any time of day. No matter where you live.
**call comcast and say you never see your max speed and want it fixed.. and have them actually do something about it.
you cannot argue ANY of that. if you can.. id love to hear it.
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08-10-2007, 02:06 PM
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ya inconsistent speeds. higher ping times. no static IP's. against their policy to host a server.. hmm that sounds WONDERFUL!
anyone with a bad experience with speed/dsl is probably someone who didn't do much homework and signed up for the amazing "$12.99" a month package and saw a slow connection.. ya well you get what you pay for. people get those "good deals" and end up with 1.5mbps.
anyone with a bad experience with speed/dsl is probably someone who didn't do much homework and signed up for the amazing "$12.99" a month package and saw a slow connection.. ya well you get what you pay for. people get those "good deals" and end up with 1.5mbps.
08-10-2007, 02:07 PM
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depends on your provider, depends on your neighborhood
i get 19mpbs at home on my comcast with <10ms pings to my gateway. I've seen as high as 22mbps but its usually not quite that fast.
i get 19mpbs at home on my comcast with <10ms pings to my gateway. I've seen as high as 22mbps but its usually not quite that fast.
08-10-2007, 02:34 PM
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ya inconsistent speeds. higher ping times. no static IP's. against their policy to host a server.. hmm that sounds WONDERFUL!
anyone with a bad experience with speed/dsl is probably someone who didn't do much homework and signed up for the amazing "$12.99" a month package and saw a slow connection.. ya well you get what you pay for. people get those "good deals" and end up with 1.5mbps.
anyone with a bad experience with speed/dsl is probably someone who didn't do much homework and signed up for the amazing "$12.99" a month package and saw a slow connection.. ya well you get what you pay for. people get those "good deals" and end up with 1.5mbps.
The fact is that you can more reliabily get a fast connection with cable than DSL.
08-10-2007, 03:05 PM
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COMPLETE BULL****.
comcast is 4x faster than DSL's SLOWEST product. 1.5mbps down 384kb up.
Sonic.net DSL is the best internet you can get for reliability.. customer support.. and more. SBC blows *****... but Sonic.net is much better, although you run off the same lines..
and guess what? does comcast guarantee high speeds? HELL NO.
we all heard it.. the more people on in your area, the slower your shiz goes.. the more people on in your area makes no difference unless you have every house in a territory online downloading, maxing their connections out.. and that never ever happens. I worked at Sonic.net for 2 years, and have never seen anyone call up saying "My connection is running slow" unless something was jacked up. for everyday use.. its the best solution.
and this is straight off the comcast website:
WOW i think Sonic.net offers 6mbps.. wait yes they do.. and guess what?? ITS GUARANTEED!
only thing they can't guarantee is that you will be downloading 6mbps off every site/server because obviously they don't control how fast those servers can upload to you... but ****.. 6mbps guaranteed... vs. comcast 6mbps now guaranteed...
who is actually faster?
and you gotta love how comcast compares their best product to DSL's slowest product.. thats like ferrari coming up and saying our Enzo is faster than Porsche..... then in small writing (comparisons were made with Ferrari's Enzo and Porsche's boxster)
its bull**** marketing.. so that you will think and have it stuck in your head.
comcast is 4x faster than DSL's SLOWEST product. 1.5mbps down 384kb up.
Sonic.net DSL is the best internet you can get for reliability.. customer support.. and more. SBC blows *****... but Sonic.net is much better, although you run off the same lines..
and guess what? does comcast guarantee high speeds? HELL NO.
we all heard it.. the more people on in your area, the slower your shiz goes.. the more people on in your area makes no difference unless you have every house in a territory online downloading, maxing their connections out.. and that never ever happens. I worked at Sonic.net for 2 years, and have never seen anyone call up saying "My connection is running slow" unless something was jacked up. for everyday use.. its the best solution.
and this is straight off the comcast website:
WOW i think Sonic.net offers 6mbps.. wait yes they do.. and guess what?? ITS GUARANTEED!
only thing they can't guarantee is that you will be downloading 6mbps off every site/server because obviously they don't control how fast those servers can upload to you... but ****.. 6mbps guaranteed... vs. comcast 6mbps now guaranteed...
who is actually faster?
and you gotta love how comcast compares their best product to DSL's slowest product.. thats like ferrari coming up and saying our Enzo is faster than Porsche..... then in small writing (comparisons were made with Ferrari's Enzo and Porsche's boxster)
its bull**** marketing.. so that you will think and have it stuck in your head.
uhhhh.. greg... go to www.dslreports.com
and check bandwidth for
adsl-X.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net <- thats pacbell yahoo dsl
check any comcast.net
from experience my DADS house has comcast and from any OC12 I can download at 800kbps-1mbps
here at my moms with PACBELL YAHOO SbCRAP i can download at 66kbps-110kbps
wtf u talkin about? atleast in the santa rosa area comcast > sbcglobal
go to DSLREPORTS.com and check bandwidth...
i checked numerous san jose NODES and COMCAST is better than ANY dsl out there
UNLESS u get their 'o so leet premium package pack me in the butthole w/ fees' line....
o yeah.. and uhh it comes down to stock cable is better than stock dsl.
fiber ftw... phone lines are slow...
its proven, i have my net+ cert dont test me ..
08-10-2007, 03:24 PM
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uhhhh.. greg... go to www.dslreports.com
and check bandwidth for
adsl-X.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net <- thats pacbell yahoo dsl
check any comcast.net
from experience my DADS house has comcast and from any OC12 I can download at 800kbps-1mbps
here at my moms with PACBELL YAHOO SbCRAP i can download at 66kbps-110kbps
wtf u talkin about? atleast in the santa rosa area comcast > sbcglobal
go to DSLREPORTS.com and check bandwidth...
i checked numerous san jose NODES and COMCAST is better than ANY dsl out there
UNLESS u get their 'o so leet premium package pack me in the butthole w/ fees' line....
o yeah.. and uhh it comes down to stock cable is better than stock dsl.
fiber ftw... phone lines are slow...
its proven, i have my net+ cert dont test me ..
and check bandwidth for
adsl-X.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net <- thats pacbell yahoo dsl
check any comcast.net
from experience my DADS house has comcast and from any OC12 I can download at 800kbps-1mbps
here at my moms with PACBELL YAHOO SbCRAP i can download at 66kbps-110kbps
wtf u talkin about? atleast in the santa rosa area comcast > sbcglobal
go to DSLREPORTS.com and check bandwidth...
i checked numerous san jose NODES and COMCAST is better than ANY dsl out there
UNLESS u get their 'o so leet premium package pack me in the butthole w/ fees' line....
o yeah.. and uhh it comes down to stock cable is better than stock dsl.
fiber ftw... phone lines are slow...
its proven, i have my net+ cert dont test me ..
08-10-2007, 03:25 PM
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Cable > DSL for sure, everyone I know that has SBC will always randomly have their connection drop. Cable has always been reliable for me. Too bad comcast re-did the modems after taking over @Home, nothing like uncapping the modem and uploading at 1megabyte/s
Cable > DSL for sure, everyone I know that has SBC will always randomly have their connection drop. Cable has always been reliable for me. Too bad comcast re-did the modems after taking over @Home, nothing like uncapping the modem and uploading at 1megabyte/s
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sorry jon but that isn't solid.
YOU have a 1.5mbps connection. and using a 3rd party "speed test" is not going to be sufficient. of course if you check your speeds from a test location thats many miles away then it won't show accurate reports.
I am not saying comcast is not fast. But is it consistent? HELL no.
I use several comcast connections through out the week.. my girlfriends parents, my aunt n uncles, my buddies. and its always random speeds. i was downloading a wrc video at my friend's house and the video was hosted on my server which is on a massive connection (can upload up to about 6 MB (as in 6,000kb per second) and i couldn't get anything over a 100kb download. and it was dropping down to 50kb and going back up.
when i downloaded the same file on my static IP DSL line.. (which i pay less money for, with 8 static IP addresses than a 4mbps comcast one dynamic IP customer does) i get a consistent 350KB/sec. thats 1/3 a megabyte a second (i don't have a faster connection because I am happy with my 3mbps connection)
if thats the logic you guys wanna use then there is my example. but the over all PROVEN statistic is that comcast is faster if you have their faster connection.. but it is not consistent. which is where it fails.. i would rather be on an 80mph freeway that is ALWAYS going to allow me to travel 80mph and no faster.. than to have a freeway that has a 120mph speed limit that does not always go that speed. it might go 120 right now.. then an hour later you could be going 30mph.
consistency is what matters.. no one needs a 10mbps for one computer.. anyone who thinks they do doesn't understand how things work.. after about 3-6mbps you generally will not see a benefit.. because most servers cap their upload speed per connection at about 400kb/sec
having a 10mbps connection only benefits a house with 4+ computers. or 2+ computers if you always run torrents or something.
and jon.. i know a lot of idiots with cert's so that doesn't mean anything
and saying:thing to know: cable = atleast 5 times faster than dsl
thats bull****.. since DSL can run up to 6mbps (will in the next year based on SBC's plans to compete with speed push 15mbps).
comcast is what like 10mbps in most areas at max?
DSL is 6? hmm thats not 5 times more..
and again they both have their benefits.. but i feel DSL has better benefits.. only thing i hate about DSL is that your distance from the central office or remote terminal will affect what speed package you are available for.. but if you're available for 6mbps provision then why go with comcast who clearly says speeds WILL not always be that high?
YOU have a 1.5mbps connection. and using a 3rd party "speed test" is not going to be sufficient. of course if you check your speeds from a test location thats many miles away then it won't show accurate reports.
I am not saying comcast is not fast. But is it consistent? HELL no.
I use several comcast connections through out the week.. my girlfriends parents, my aunt n uncles, my buddies. and its always random speeds. i was downloading a wrc video at my friend's house and the video was hosted on my server which is on a massive connection (can upload up to about 6 MB (as in 6,000kb per second) and i couldn't get anything over a 100kb download. and it was dropping down to 50kb and going back up.
when i downloaded the same file on my static IP DSL line.. (which i pay less money for, with 8 static IP addresses than a 4mbps comcast one dynamic IP customer does) i get a consistent 350KB/sec. thats 1/3 a megabyte a second (i don't have a faster connection because I am happy with my 3mbps connection)
if thats the logic you guys wanna use then there is my example. but the over all PROVEN statistic is that comcast is faster if you have their faster connection.. but it is not consistent. which is where it fails.. i would rather be on an 80mph freeway that is ALWAYS going to allow me to travel 80mph and no faster.. than to have a freeway that has a 120mph speed limit that does not always go that speed. it might go 120 right now.. then an hour later you could be going 30mph.
consistency is what matters.. no one needs a 10mbps for one computer.. anyone who thinks they do doesn't understand how things work.. after about 3-6mbps you generally will not see a benefit.. because most servers cap their upload speed per connection at about 400kb/sec
having a 10mbps connection only benefits a house with 4+ computers. or 2+ computers if you always run torrents or something.
and jon.. i know a lot of idiots with cert's so that doesn't mean anything
and saying:thing to know: cable = atleast 5 times faster than dsl
thats bull****.. since DSL can run up to 6mbps (will in the next year based on SBC's plans to compete with speed push 15mbps).
comcast is what like 10mbps in most areas at max?
DSL is 6? hmm thats not 5 times more..
and again they both have their benefits.. but i feel DSL has better benefits.. only thing i hate about DSL is that your distance from the central office or remote terminal will affect what speed package you are available for.. but if you're available for 6mbps provision then why go with comcast who clearly says speeds WILL not always be that high?