Lurk

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The show comes on at 10pm tonight on Spike.

Equipment breakdown
SEALs:
CQD - Hand to Hand
Sig P226 - Pistol
M4A1 - Rifle
C4 satchel charge - Explosive

Israeli Commandos:
Krav Maga - Hand to Hand
Glock 19 - Pistol
Micro Galil - Rifle
Semtex charge w/cell phone - Explosive

Lowend

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I'll give you the maritime stuff... but Israel is coastal they have plenty of practice.

Close quarters and urban combat - it would swing the other way. IDF is used to fighting room-to-room. May have the most experience with guerrilla warfare and dealing with suicidal combatants.

Krav Maga (all things equal) I don't think can be equaled as a martial art. WAY more real world application than any other "modern" art. I studied Karv for awhile, it's brutal. Deals with weapons in ways other arts don't. Deals with mental conditioning in a way other arts don't.

Both forces use the same basic weapons, and very similar tactics.
I think the experience level of the IDF special forces gives them an edge

Lowend

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Ah weak - I don't think Israel has really deployed the Galil in a long time.

Not that it really matters with .223 Carbines anyways. Who's to say an M4 is more deadly than a TAR or a AK74. All the same round; similar rates of fire, similar accuracy at close range.

Lurk

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I wouldn't assume the IDF is better at CQB than the SEALs either. Iraq was all MOUT operations. You have to remember since the GWOT kicked off in 2001, the SEALs have been in combat operations all over the world.

My buddy who graduated SQT and became a SEAL in 2007 told me, every SEAL in the teams has been deployed downrange at least once.

Lurk

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It will come down to the operator. However, a pimped out SOPMOD M4 is more deadly than your basic AK, Galil, TAR, etc. The accessories available to our SOF teams give them much greater capability than other units that don't have access to the same gadgets.

SomethingClassy

Seals won by a very narrow margin. Of 100 battles they took 518.

brucelee

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Im surprised that it was so close because the SEAL training is INSANE. I know the Israeli training is really outstanding and they are great soldiers, but a SEAL is a different breed capable of just about anything.

Lurk

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Forget the computer simulation part of the show. If you watched the shooting segments where the 2 teams went head to head, the SEALs were clearly the better shooters.

They shot faster and more accurately with both pistols and rifles.

Lowend

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Meh - the M4 had an optic, the Galil looked like iron sights. I'm betting that with a TAR (with its integrated optic) that shooting would be on par


Bruce - keep in mind, we send Seal teams to Israel for training.
Israel is compulsory service (draft), which means they can draw the best of the best off a much broader sample than the US.

Again - with two armies who use similar training, similar weapons, similar tactics... I'm not surprised it was close.

The Symtex explosive was pretty damn impressive. The cell phone bomb going off in that controlled a manner was cool

Superglue WRX

That "doctor" loves to jam his finger into the fake wounds of the dummies.

That is all.

OneManArmy

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On the flip side... Seals draw from the best of the best of VOLUNTEERS. People that want to do it. Not drafties and every day joes. These are the best. Seal teams go to Israel to train so that they can go to train on site and learn about the people they're going up against. Israeli's don't fight over here so they don't need to send their guys here... or I'm sure they would.

Bottom line was that the Seals were DEAD nuts accurate with all weapons. I think it should have been more lopsided. But they are both quality units.

They fought in what would have been the best case for the Israeli's... CQC and they still lost. No snipers. No support. No sea. Etc.

rau

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The end result spoke the truth, the SEALs murked 'em. Just like everyone else the SEALs come across.