Cousin passed away at Cow Palace Rave...
05-31-2010, 10:23 PM
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I've read up about a lot of the stuff that has to do with E and the causes and effects. That is really true when it gets to E, as you can see if it was laced with rat poison that is the cause of death, not E itself. Pure MDMA can't kill anyone, it's the side effects of ravin' like nuts and not drinking enough water that get people into trouble.
ODing on E is hard, as tolerance builds up extremely fast. Even boosted (poppin' pills midway through to get another jump) ends up dying out after all of your serotonin releases.. and in the end effect you don't feel anything.
As for what Brucelee states, if you're referring to the government studies (which were botched, as other scientists outside the US tried to do the same thing with monkeys found out) the US government didn't use MDMA, they used acetone, which will definitely destroy brain cells for anyone. Studies by other scientists maybe showed a small amount of brain anything, and doesn't mean your brain cells are dead, they do regenerate, just probably slower than you're killing them off.
I might have pissed you off, and you should be, because you believe all illicit drugs are bad or something. There are some that are totally dangerous, but most of the "illicit" drugs, the government uses for medical purposes, whether methadone, or MDMA for depressed patients. The only problem with illicit drugs is that they aren't regulated, and therefore laced with whatever the person dumped into it. That is the determining factor.
True lab chemists vs your backyard chemist.
Again, I know from proof and experience, you can pop as many MDMA pills you want, but once the serotonin has released, nothing else comes of the pills, and hence a waste to even use. The factors that are RELATED, but not caused by MDMA itself is where the garage chemists dumped into the pill, or the side effects of raving for a few hours and not drinking anything, etc.
ODing on E is hard, as tolerance builds up extremely fast. Even boosted (poppin' pills midway through to get another jump) ends up dying out after all of your serotonin releases.. and in the end effect you don't feel anything.
As for what Brucelee states, if you're referring to the government studies (which were botched, as other scientists outside the US tried to do the same thing with monkeys found out) the US government didn't use MDMA, they used acetone, which will definitely destroy brain cells for anyone. Studies by other scientists maybe showed a small amount of brain anything, and doesn't mean your brain cells are dead, they do regenerate, just probably slower than you're killing them off.
I might have pissed you off, and you should be, because you believe all illicit drugs are bad or something. There are some that are totally dangerous, but most of the "illicit" drugs, the government uses for medical purposes, whether methadone, or MDMA for depressed patients. The only problem with illicit drugs is that they aren't regulated, and therefore laced with whatever the person dumped into it. That is the determining factor.
True lab chemists vs your backyard chemist.
Again, I know from proof and experience, you can pop as many MDMA pills you want, but once the serotonin has released, nothing else comes of the pills, and hence a waste to even use. The factors that are RELATED, but not caused by MDMA itself is where the garage chemists dumped into the pill, or the side effects of raving for a few hours and not drinking anything, etc.
05-31-2010, 11:00 PM
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Sad story,I saw this on the news and it was weird seeing the black suby in the back ground after seeing the thread this afternoon,my condolences to you and yours.
05-31-2010, 11:06 PM
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This just gets worse and worse, what the hell is up with raves? Lets see, tainted drugs, check. Filthy sweaty rooms, random needle stabbings, check and check. I'm all for partying and having a good time but this is unnerving.
05-31-2010, 11:39 PM
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wow..
I was there...place was filthy terrible... jammed pack with 16,000+ people and no ventilation at all. Like others said.... there was literally sweat dripping from the walls. I knew something was gonna go bad. I read the news article and once I saw the subby I jumped to the forums and saw this. Very Very sad. My condolences to you and your family....
05-31-2010, 11:53 PM
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Want to steal my car?
I get stabby!
I get stabby!
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Update:My San Jose Mercury news interview. The reporter Sean was very respectfull and I thank him very much. here's the link to that interview. also thanks for all the prayers again.
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stori...nclick_check=1
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stori...nclick_check=1
05-31-2010, 11:59 PM
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My condolences.
Let's not turn this into a pissing contest between pro-drug and anti-drug users on this forum. You guys all know there are better places to be taking this argument. Have some respect for this man who just lost someone dear to him.
Let's not turn this into a pissing contest between pro-drug and anti-drug users on this forum. You guys all know there are better places to be taking this argument. Have some respect for this man who just lost someone dear to him.
06-01-2010, 12:45 AM
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Thanks for your concern overbear, but before you accuse me of using, I suggest that you have some basis for your assumption. For the record I don't use any drugs. I am very offended by your comment. You are correct that mdma in any form poses a risk, but pure mdma is the safest form... if one chooses to use. I am not saying I agree with use, I am simply suggesting that if one does choose to use... they should be as safe as possible. Which is why it is sad that this person passed while using in the purest form.
06-01-2010, 12:52 AM
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:/. Yeah... people do that because it is released faster. Pure mdma comes in powder form... sometimes dealers put it in gel or veg capsules weighed out to the right amount... which is usually 100mg-ish.
I have seen drugs destroy lives... its really tragic. Maybe this thread will be a wake up call to some people and get them to stop using.
I have seen drugs destroy lives... its really tragic. Maybe this thread will be a wake up call to some people and get them to stop using.
