Attempted break-in, what should I do?
08-02-2013, 01:42 PM
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Its clear the would be robbers dont know about Dominic Toretto. You never **** with a mechanic!
08-02-2013, 03:06 PM
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I will probably need a flamesuit after my relies, but I felt this this shoudl be said...so here goes nothing...
The last part is an utter myth; the intruder is already doesn't have an issue with trespassing, burglary, robbery, and at least assault. How do you know he isn't desprate enough to take his chances rushing you...especially if they are mentally unstable or under some sort of influence. Every second and round counts in that situation.
Plus, not having a shotgun loaded is one less round in a gun that already doesn't have the biggest capacity (most home defence models are 5+1). Why handicap yourself (assuming you don't have side saddle and/or speed load stock)?
Sounds like a good time to learn them 
Would you rather know your legal limits or claim ignorance after the fact?
+1,000,000 Understatement of the century
That is terriable, yet very common, advice. How is keeping unloaded firearms and ammo stored in seperate places safer? Are you assuming an intruder will allow you time to wake up, get the gun, get the ammo, load the magazine, load the gun, chamber the round and THEN shoot him? All the while your panic and/or adrenaline are through the roof? If the intruder is good enough to get past some or all of your security, I wouldn't rely on having a lot of time to react.
Than again, I am a paranoid Ruskie that have been trained to assume the worst case secenero...multiple armed intruders with nothing to loose. Do you really want to gamble your life assuming it will be anything less? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
DISCLAMER: Deadly force should be your last resort option, I fully agree with everyone about taking all possible other security precausions (signs, alarms, dogs, fenses, whatever)...but you still need to be prepared for the very worst. I would like to think of myself as the world's best armed passifist
Plus, not having a shotgun loaded is one less round in a gun that already doesn't have the biggest capacity (most home defence models are 5+1). Why handicap yourself (assuming you don't have side saddle and/or speed load stock)?
Would you rather know your legal limits or claim ignorance after the fact? +1,000,000 Understatement of the century
Than again, I am a paranoid Ruskie that have been trained to assume the worst case secenero...multiple armed intruders with nothing to loose. Do you really want to gamble your life assuming it will be anything less? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
DISCLAMER: Deadly force should be your last resort option, I fully agree with everyone about taking all possible other security precausions (signs, alarms, dogs, fenses, whatever)...but you still need to be prepared for the very worst. I would like to think of myself as the world's best armed passifist
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08-02-2013, 03:29 PM
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I keep forgetting who said this, but when it comes down to defending my own life..."I rather be judged by 12, than be carried by 6"
08-02-2013, 05:17 PM
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The last part is an utter myth; the intruder is already doesn't have an issue with trespassing, burglary, robbery, and at least assault. How do you know he isn't desprate enough to take his chances rushing you...especially if they are mentally unstable or under some sort of influence. Every second and round counts in that situation.
Plus, not having a shotgun loaded is one less round in a gun that already doesn't have the biggest capacity (most home defence models are 5+1). Why handicap yourself (assuming you don't have side saddle and/or speed load stock)?
That is terriable, yet very common, advice. How is keeping unloaded firearms and ammo stored in seperate places safer? Are you assuming an intruder will allow you time to wake up, get the gun, get the ammo, load the magazine, load the gun, chamber the round and THEN shoot him? All the while your panic and/or adrenaline are through the roof? If the intruder is good enough to get past some or all of your security, I wouldn't rely on having a lot of time to react.
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08-02-2013, 08:34 PM
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Ah that is the great thing about CA, you do not have to prove justification, the DA must prove you did NOT have justification, its a huge difference in legal stance.
08-02-2013, 08:46 PM
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*O/P whatever you decide, don't post the solution publicly.
Re-Addressing what everyone else has said or implied, since you have met and now know me to a degree, let me add my part.
**I also have a few strategically placed items not of the firearm variety. I don't ever want to be in a situation to have to use them, that said I have had to use them and yes, it isn't an easy choice knowing that if things go bad your life can very well be ended and carry over also to your family. Then factor in the conscious decision you are willing and capable of ending someone. I've been in situations where luckily my "Off-Switch" came on.
Don't put yourself there, and if you are intending to consider it, take classes and make sure to consult with someone who's been there because it's always easier to think you're OK with it. Coming to grips with the consequences after the fact is an entirely different thing.
Finalize that with the legals like I have had to go through fighting someone's claims against my co-workers, myself, and our business, or in 1 case the residential facility and University I was a part of and you begin to appreciate life a bit more. The cute little award(s) and pieces of paper stating basically "Merit" are worthless to me. They don't change that situations were put in my lap that needed to be dealt with or people would have been hurt.
I have friends in pretty much each local around here and even they have asked my restraint remain. Keep in mind your age and that life is wide open for you at this time.
Protect yourself and your family's best interests first. It's just property, not a life and not your lives.
Re-Addressing what everyone else has said or implied, since you have met and now know me to a degree, let me add my part.
**I also have a few strategically placed items not of the firearm variety. I don't ever want to be in a situation to have to use them, that said I have had to use them and yes, it isn't an easy choice knowing that if things go bad your life can very well be ended and carry over also to your family. Then factor in the conscious decision you are willing and capable of ending someone. I've been in situations where luckily my "Off-Switch" came on.
Don't put yourself there, and if you are intending to consider it, take classes and make sure to consult with someone who's been there because it's always easier to think you're OK with it. Coming to grips with the consequences after the fact is an entirely different thing.
Finalize that with the legals like I have had to go through fighting someone's claims against my co-workers, myself, and our business, or in 1 case the residential facility and University I was a part of and you begin to appreciate life a bit more. The cute little award(s) and pieces of paper stating basically "Merit" are worthless to me. They don't change that situations were put in my lap that needed to be dealt with or people would have been hurt.
I have friends in pretty much each local around here and even they have asked my restraint remain. Keep in mind your age and that life is wide open for you at this time.
Protect yourself and your family's best interests first. It's just property, not a life and not your lives.
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08-03-2013, 01:50 AM
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I will probably need a flamesuit after my relies, but I felt this this shoudl be said...so here goes nothing...
The last part is an utter myth; the intruder is already doesn't have an issue with trespassing, burglary, robbery, and at least assault. How do you know he isn't desprate enough to take his chances rushing you...especially if they are mentally unstable or under some sort of influence. Every second and round counts in that situation.
Plus, not having a shotgun loaded is one less round in a gun that already doesn't have the biggest capacity (most home defence models are 5+1). Why handicap yourself (assuming you don't have side saddle and/or speed load stock)?
Sounds like a good time to learn them Would you rather know your legal limits or claim ignorance after the fact?
+1,000,000 Understatement of the century
That is terriable, yet very common, advice. How is keeping unloaded firearms and ammo stored in seperate places safer? Are you assuming an intruder will allow you time to wake up, get the gun, get the ammo, load the magazine, load the gun, chamber the round and THEN shoot him? All the while your panic and/or adrenaline are through the roof? If the intruder is good enough to get past some or all of your security, I wouldn't rely on having a lot of time to react.
Than again, I am a paranoid Ruskie that have been trained to assume the worst case secenero...multiple armed intruders with nothing to loose. Do you really want to gamble your life assuming it will be anything less? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
DISCLAMER: Deadly force should be your last resort option, I fully agree with everyone about taking all possible other security precausions (signs, alarms, dogs, fenses, whatever)...but you still need to be prepared for the very worst. I would like to think of myself as the world's best armed passifist
The last part is an utter myth; the intruder is already doesn't have an issue with trespassing, burglary, robbery, and at least assault. How do you know he isn't desprate enough to take his chances rushing you...especially if they are mentally unstable or under some sort of influence. Every second and round counts in that situation.
Plus, not having a shotgun loaded is one less round in a gun that already doesn't have the biggest capacity (most home defence models are 5+1). Why handicap yourself (assuming you don't have side saddle and/or speed load stock)?
Sounds like a good time to learn them
Would you rather know your legal limits or claim ignorance after the fact? +1,000,000 Understatement of the century
That is terriable, yet very common, advice. How is keeping unloaded firearms and ammo stored in seperate places safer? Are you assuming an intruder will allow you time to wake up, get the gun, get the ammo, load the magazine, load the gun, chamber the round and THEN shoot him? All the while your panic and/or adrenaline are through the roof? If the intruder is good enough to get past some or all of your security, I wouldn't rely on having a lot of time to react.
Than again, I am a paranoid Ruskie that have been trained to assume the worst case secenero...multiple armed intruders with nothing to loose. Do you really want to gamble your life assuming it will be anything less? Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
DISCLAMER: Deadly force should be your last resort option, I fully agree with everyone about taking all possible other security precausions (signs, alarms, dogs, fenses, whatever)...but you still need to be prepared for the very worst. I would like to think of myself as the world's best armed passifist
If a robber was found to be mental, and I killed him even in self defense, wouldn't they (Judge, jury, etc.) turn the tables towards me for killing someone mentally unstable? Because i've heard of cases where mental people HAVE killed someone, and got away or a lessened sentence a few years back.
Not it isn't a myth. Agreed that someone who is breaking into your house is not "right" already, does not mean they are completely insane. Drugged out maybe, but there will be a difference between a thief and a tweaker. The tweaker may rush you but the theif is just looking for something easy or they wouldn't be breaking into a house.... Having a gun isn't going to prevent a break in.
100% true on capacity, but if you need more than 5 with a shotgun, something is wrong. Sort of the point of a shotgun for home defense is that you ARE going to hit if you have ANY practice with the firearm at all. It is no different than a fire extinguisher. Just because you have one doesn't mean you will do the right thing when there's a fire so you need to practice and know what to do. Having a gun also does no good if you aren't prepared to use it, and that also means mentally and physically. I make sure I have the little lady fire the shotgun a few times a year so she also has the confidence to use it without having to think about it, which is the way you need to be able to think in a high stress situation. If it isn't second nature, you aren't prepared.
No, the assumption is that if they are in your house while you aren't and you come home, they will not find an already loaded weapon and use it against you immediately and even if you are there and they get to your weapon first for whatever reason, it isn't loaded. If you can't load it and be ready to rock in a few seconds, you aren't prepared. This is the same recommendation/requirement with children in the house - if the two are kept separate, much less chance of disaster. When I go to bed it is there and loaded next to me. When I get up, I typically unload it unless it is going in a holster.
100% true on capacity, but if you need more than 5 with a shotgun, something is wrong. Sort of the point of a shotgun for home defense is that you ARE going to hit if you have ANY practice with the firearm at all. It is no different than a fire extinguisher. Just because you have one doesn't mean you will do the right thing when there's a fire so you need to practice and know what to do. Having a gun also does no good if you aren't prepared to use it, and that also means mentally and physically. I make sure I have the little lady fire the shotgun a few times a year so she also has the confidence to use it without having to think about it, which is the way you need to be able to think in a high stress situation. If it isn't second nature, you aren't prepared.
No, the assumption is that if they are in your house while you aren't and you come home, they will not find an already loaded weapon and use it against you immediately and even if you are there and they get to your weapon first for whatever reason, it isn't loaded. If you can't load it and be ready to rock in a few seconds, you aren't prepared. This is the same recommendation/requirement with children in the house - if the two are kept separate, much less chance of disaster. When I go to bed it is there and loaded next to me. When I get up, I typically unload it unless it is going in a holster.
That makes sense but that brings a whole new topic of owning a gun, how safe can it be to you if somehow the robber accesses gun first? mehh.
*O/P whatever you decide, don't post the solution publicly.
Re-Addressing what everyone else has said or implied, since you have met and now know me to a degree, let me add my part.
**I also have a few strategically placed items not of the firearm variety. I don't ever want to be in a situation to have to use them, that said I have had to use them and yes, it isn't an easy choice knowing that if things go bad your life can very well be ended and carry over also to your family. Then factor in the conscious decision you are willing and capable of ending someone. I've been in situations where luckily my "Off-Switch" came on.
Don't put yourself there, and if you are intending to consider it, take classes and make sure to consult with someone who's been there because it's always easier to think you're OK with it. Coming to grips with the consequences after the fact is an entirely different thing.
Finalize that with the legals like I have had to go through fighting someone's claims against my co-workers, myself, and our business, or in 1 case the residential facility and University I was a part of and you begin to appreciate life a bit more. The cute little award(s) and pieces of paper stating basically "Merit" are worthless to me. They don't change that situations were put in my lap that needed to be dealt with or people would have been hurt.
I have friends in pretty much each local around here and even they have asked my restraint remain. Keep in mind your age and that life is wide open for you at this time.
Protect yourself and your family's best interests first. It's just property, not a life and not your lives.
Re-Addressing what everyone else has said or implied, since you have met and now know me to a degree, let me add my part.
**I also have a few strategically placed items not of the firearm variety. I don't ever want to be in a situation to have to use them, that said I have had to use them and yes, it isn't an easy choice knowing that if things go bad your life can very well be ended and carry over also to your family. Then factor in the conscious decision you are willing and capable of ending someone. I've been in situations where luckily my "Off-Switch" came on.
Don't put yourself there, and if you are intending to consider it, take classes and make sure to consult with someone who's been there because it's always easier to think you're OK with it. Coming to grips with the consequences after the fact is an entirely different thing.
Finalize that with the legals like I have had to go through fighting someone's claims against my co-workers, myself, and our business, or in 1 case the residential facility and University I was a part of and you begin to appreciate life a bit more. The cute little award(s) and pieces of paper stating basically "Merit" are worthless to me. They don't change that situations were put in my lap that needed to be dealt with or people would have been hurt.
I have friends in pretty much each local around here and even they have asked my restraint remain. Keep in mind your age and that life is wide open for you at this time.
Protect yourself and your family's best interests first. It's just property, not a life and not your lives.
Thats one of the major things definitely keeping me away from the gun. While I know this is probably the dumbest things to base it off, but it was a movie that I watched a long time back, and watching him struggle just doesn't want me to be placed in that situation.
Thats crazy to hear Shane.
I will agree, I still have a life to live and its still an open door. But, it seems like without having well equipt protection like a gun, would close that door. While the government's legalities of self defense are an open invitation to a mystery door. I guess its one of those things, as a person, you figure out which step to place forward.
Anyways, Little Update:
With further scouting around house/backyard, the Rear gate was tried to be kicked down (opposite side of garage) and the Fence latch was completely broken off the fence, with the fence completely bent up and not closing properly now. Then the rear light sensor was pointed all the way up, and I tested it and it would NOT activate even jumping above the fence line. Before it was pointed straight into our backyard area, and 100% sure as it would've activated within 20feet of the sensor.
08-03-2013, 07:53 AM
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My real home is in a very rural area. If someone is on my property and looks suspicious, they aren't met with welcoming arms. Not that we've had a single problem, but it is the kind of area where people are generally not just walking around either. We are about 200ft back from the road. That's why we have a dog - she's the door bell. In a rural area also though, a criminal would pretty much expect every home is armed out there.
Non-lethal and diffusion of the situation are ALWAYS the preferred method to end the situation.
Another comment that Shane touched on - legally, you cannot protect property, only lives. If you come out and someone is breaking into your car, you cannot legally harm them. Someone trying to kick your gate down while you are home though - I consider that a threat.
LOL. I'd say I'm older also
Non-lethal and diffusion of the situation are ALWAYS the preferred method to end the situation.
Another comment that Shane touched on - legally, you cannot protect property, only lives. If you come out and someone is breaking into your car, you cannot legally harm them. Someone trying to kick your gate down while you are home though - I consider that a threat.
LOL. I'd say I'm older also
08-03-2013, 08:29 AM
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you could hire this kid to house sit 24/7, I saw this hour+ long ad, he knows how to give criminals a run for their money.
On a serious note, regardless of what route you go, it sounds like you need to cover the blind spots of your home security so that they can't mess with the sensors.
As for the logitech camera I posted, I love it (apart from the price). The downside to it is that you need a power outlet and wifi (Which shouldn't be an issue).
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08-03-2013, 09:57 AM
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I live in Los Altos as well and one of my neighbors behind me was recently robbed. We also had someone come down our driveway and got close to our gate but set the dogs off and he ran. I am like the only one on my block that actually has lights as all my neighbors properties are so dark. I put lights in when we bought the house recently because there are also no street lights on my block. Where about do you live just wondering if you are close to me or not. I live off of Los Altos ave in the old farm house section.
Any suggestions on surveillance cameras? I was looking at frys today.
There is a set of those on the side of the house, but will look into getting one in the front yard.
No way would I confront a robber. Now if I was a big guy, I probably would as it may freak the crap out of him.
LOL
Nice find, might look into it, or get a video system.
I would but the whole legalities of a gun are just confusing, and seem to go against the shooter even if you are defending yourself. I live in Los Altos.
There is a set of those on the side of the house, but will look into getting one in the front yard.
No way would I confront a robber. Now if I was a big guy, I probably would as it may freak the crap out of him.
LOL
Nice find, might look into it, or get a video system.
I would but the whole legalities of a gun are just confusing, and seem to go against the shooter even if you are defending yourself. I live in Los Altos.
08-03-2013, 11:13 AM
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My real home is in a very rural area. If someone is on my property and looks suspicious, they aren't met with welcoming arms. Not that we've had a single problem, but it is the kind of area where people are generally not just walking around either. We are about 200ft back from the road. That's why we have a dog - she's the door bell. In a rural area also though, a criminal would pretty much expect every home is armed out there.
Non-lethal and diffusion of the situation are ALWAYS the preferred method to end the situation.
Another comment that Shane touched on - legally, you cannot protect property, only lives. If you come out and someone is breaking into your car, you cannot legally harm them. Someone trying to kick your gate down while you are home though - I consider that a threat.
LOL. I'd say I'm older also
Non-lethal and diffusion of the situation are ALWAYS the preferred method to end the situation.
Another comment that Shane touched on - legally, you cannot protect property, only lives. If you come out and someone is breaking into your car, you cannot legally harm them. Someone trying to kick your gate down while you are home though - I consider that a threat.
LOL. I'd say I'm older also
you could hire this kid to house sit 24/7, I saw this hour+ long ad, he knows how to give criminals a run for their money.
On a serious note, regardless of what route you go, it sounds like you need to cover the blind spots of your home security so that they can't mess with the sensors.
As for the logitech camera I posted, I love it (apart from the price). The downside to it is that you need a power outlet and wifi (Which shouldn't be an issue).
The camera is on my parents mind and they are favoring it.
I live in Los Altos as well and one of my neighbors behind me was recently robbed. We also had someone come down our driveway and got close to our gate but set the dogs off and he ran. I am like the only one on my block that actually has lights as all my neighbors properties are so dark. I put lights in when we bought the house recently because there are also no street lights on my block. Where about do you live just wondering if you are close to me or not. I live off of Los Altos ave in the old farm house section.
I'm opposite side of the city near springer and cuesta. Not that far though.
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