Alameda Firefighters & Cops watch dude drown!
06-02-2011, 01:14 PM
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06-02-2011, 03:02 PM
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Too shallow for coastguard to get close enough... that is why they didn't do anything...
However, after the dude went unconscious... you'd figure some folks might grab him then, since he won't try to kill you.
It's cool how we boast about heroes and a lot of movies and things are based on them. But there was zero citizens of America there.
AND OF COURSE they're going to blame budget cuts. I bet their captain or some dude up on top of administration said "no one do anything, we are not liable and blame the budget cuts for not being trained."
All of these guys don't want to get hurt, leech off the system and work the system for high pay.
I guess I expect more from American Citizens... but then again adding American to the phrase is ironic to the situation. I'm expecting some good out of people, but man it looks like evil > good and it's still going on a bullet train to worse.
However, after the dude went unconscious... you'd figure some folks might grab him then, since he won't try to kill you.
It's cool how we boast about heroes and a lot of movies and things are based on them. But there was zero citizens of America there.
AND OF COURSE they're going to blame budget cuts. I bet their captain or some dude up on top of administration said "no one do anything, we are not liable and blame the budget cuts for not being trained."
All of these guys don't want to get hurt, leech off the system and work the system for high pay.
I guess I expect more from American Citizens... but then again adding American to the phrase is ironic to the situation. I'm expecting some good out of people, but man it looks like evil > good and it's still going on a bullet train to worse.
06-02-2011, 04:31 PM
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its really not because if youre not trained to do so, you can get sued easily. a lot of depts have cut back on their extra resources such as this incident. plus would you risk your life for a person who may possibly kill themselves and you in the process? oh on top you dont know how to rescue in water.
06-02-2011, 04:34 PM
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If what the chief said was true, the policy is indeed very poor and it's a good thing that it was changed after this incident (read the article if you missed that part).
However, for anyone that's getting their panties in a bunch over the circumstances of the incident itself , it shows that they've never worked in emergency rescue services before. If a victim is combative or presents a risk to first response workers, it's foolish to risk the health and lives of the rescuers themselves (let alone the threat of a lawsuit if the rescue is botched due to an uncooperative victim). Talking out your *** about how "cowardly" first response workers are is just moronic as hell.
However, for anyone that's getting their panties in a bunch over the circumstances of the incident itself , it shows that they've never worked in emergency rescue services before. If a victim is combative or presents a risk to first response workers, it's foolish to risk the health and lives of the rescuers themselves (let alone the threat of a lawsuit if the rescue is botched due to an uncooperative victim). Talking out your *** about how "cowardly" first response workers are is just moronic as hell.
06-02-2011, 05:36 PM
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If what the chief said was true, the policy is indeed very poor and it's a good thing that it was changed after this incident (read the article if you missed that part).
However, for anyone that's getting their panties in a bunch over the circumstances of the incident itself , it shows that they've never worked in emergency rescue services before. If a victim is combative or presents a risk to first response workers, it's foolish to risk the health and lives of the rescuers themselves (let alone the threat of a lawsuit if the rescue is botched due to an uncooperative victim). Talking out your *** about how "cowardly" first response workers are is just moronic as hell.
However, for anyone that's getting their panties in a bunch over the circumstances of the incident itself , it shows that they've never worked in emergency rescue services before. If a victim is combative or presents a risk to first response workers, it's foolish to risk the health and lives of the rescuers themselves (let alone the threat of a lawsuit if the rescue is botched due to an uncooperative victim). Talking out your *** about how "cowardly" first response workers are is just moronic as hell.
06-02-2011, 05:39 PM
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My question is with the coast guard and why didn't they send a helicopter with armed rescue swimmers who are trained in both rescue and combat to take care of the situation if they couldn't get a boat in there. CHP also operates a rescue helicoper which has an armed officer on board.
Also that being said, I probably would've done it with a life jacket and some backup. When the person went limp they should've been in position to pull them to land and rescusitate.
06-02-2011, 06:05 PM
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so cops and firemen are now supposed to be lifeguards on-duty?
all i know is that i would NOT have gone in there to save a guy who's suicidal... i have done lifeguarding before as a job 10+ years ago and used to swim and play waterpolo, so am a very strong swimmer.
it's common knowledge that if/when someone is drowning, they will instinctively just grab and hold onto anything they can, i.e. you when you go out to save him... they end up almost always taking the other person down with them, unless they have all the necessary equipment.
if they do grab you and are trying to take you down, I'd literally punch him square in the face or gouge his eye out (no joke) to have him let go, so then I can help "save" his life a bit easier and more safely for us both.
maybe just lasso him with a rope around his neck and drag him to shore?
hahah, some people are funny sometimes with their logic, or lackthereof.
I am not going out into the water to save some guy who's trying to kill himself and risk my entire life/family doing it without the proper equipment or training/responsibility. i mean seriously, what the F*CK are you trying to ask our police/firemen to do here? you're really trying to complain about everything?
we (most people) always just need someone to blame and b*tch and moan about versus looking at the big picture here.
in hindsight: they prob just should have tossed a rope around him after they got into the water and literally just dragged his *** out... then immediately arrest him for being a toolbag.
to all the butthurt people- you're seriously telling me that you would have been in that water? before he was unconcious?
do you even have to know how to swim to be a cop or a fireman?
also, same is true for every job... first thing is, check to see if that's my job/responsibility. if not, push back... everyone's guilty of this.
all i know is that i would NOT have gone in there to save a guy who's suicidal... i have done lifeguarding before as a job 10+ years ago and used to swim and play waterpolo, so am a very strong swimmer.
it's common knowledge that if/when someone is drowning, they will instinctively just grab and hold onto anything they can, i.e. you when you go out to save him... they end up almost always taking the other person down with them, unless they have all the necessary equipment.
if they do grab you and are trying to take you down, I'd literally punch him square in the face or gouge his eye out (no joke) to have him let go, so then I can help "save" his life a bit easier and more safely for us both.
maybe just lasso him with a rope around his neck and drag him to shore?
hahah, some people are funny sometimes with their logic, or lackthereof.
I am not going out into the water to save some guy who's trying to kill himself and risk my entire life/family doing it without the proper equipment or training/responsibility. i mean seriously, what the F*CK are you trying to ask our police/firemen to do here? you're really trying to complain about everything?
we (most people) always just need someone to blame and b*tch and moan about versus looking at the big picture here.
in hindsight: they prob just should have tossed a rope around him after they got into the water and literally just dragged his *** out... then immediately arrest him for being a toolbag.
to all the butthurt people- you're seriously telling me that you would have been in that water? before he was unconcious?
do you even have to know how to swim to be a cop or a fireman?
also, same is true for every job... first thing is, check to see if that's my job/responsibility. if not, push back... everyone's guilty of this.
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06-02-2011, 06:08 PM
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Oh I get it now.. He swam out there to act helpless so that he could have the chance to stab anyone that tried to help him with the harpoon he had hidden in anus. Fortunately the 75 people watching knew he was a criminal mastermind, axe-murdering, psychopath and knew better than to fall into his trap. Luckily the plan backfired and he is dead now. Let's celebrate no one had to go in and get all cold and wet - cause that sucks. 
This whole story leaves me so conflicted.
This whole story leaves me so conflicted.
06-02-2011, 06:18 PM
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some straight up vaginas right there. buddy of mine that trained with Tahoe regional fire department was blasting these dudes on facebook. They all recieve water shore rescue especially if they have water in their protection area so there is no reason to just sit back and watch. If my buddy recieved this training in Tahoe, there is no reason that Alameda cops shouldnt get it either.