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10-26-2005, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dr3d1zzl3
What do you need quarter rack? half rack? full rack? cage?
I can get you teir one multihomed access in Manhattan, remote hands, the works. Top notch facilities, hell even chicago if you want...
For the cost of 10 or so vendors fees a month possibly...
And nick, you didnt do everything you were supposed to, i cant tell you how many collegues i have talked to that have looked at me and flashed the ?WtF y0!? face when i tell them about your situation. Lets face it man you arent running a rinky dink forum, you have damn near 100k accounts, you pull in a decent enough revenue stream to start up your own hosting/web design firm, and still have money left over.
This is a buisness, and one that you made some bad choices with. And now you have "stranded" 100k people who were part of a community that temporarily doesnt exist. You have a responsibility not only to those vendors who pay you, but also those loyal "customers" who make it all possible. That responsibility is at the minimum level to do everything that you can to insure that the site stays up and available. I can understand over loaded servers more then i can running servers out of an ICF closet or even a vault at a bank with out a proper design and set up. The costs associated with such are simply assinine when comparing the costs associated with a full rack or half rack in a properly configured and maintained data center in even a Teir one pop.
Look if you need help figuring all that ish out all you have to do is ask, i for one would be happy to help you out. Hell even put you in touch with what people i do know who do that sort of thing. Even if it is just to ask people questions there are plenty of people in the community who would be willing to help, consult, or even contribute just to make sure that their community doesnt disapear because some jerkoff telco doesnt give a ish about residential power (they cant LEGALY do that when it comes to data centers due to SLA's)...
anyways i have said more then my part, i have thrown jabs at you for being a dunce (it isnt like i havent said all of this three or so times before, hell i even got points for it once, yeah to mods). I do not agree with your views on somethings
I can get you teir one multihomed access in Manhattan, remote hands, the works. Top notch facilities, hell even chicago if you want...
For the cost of 10 or so vendors fees a month possibly...
And nick, you didnt do everything you were supposed to, i cant tell you how many collegues i have talked to that have looked at me and flashed the ?WtF y0!? face when i tell them about your situation. Lets face it man you arent running a rinky dink forum, you have damn near 100k accounts, you pull in a decent enough revenue stream to start up your own hosting/web design firm, and still have money left over.
This is a buisness, and one that you made some bad choices with. And now you have "stranded" 100k people who were part of a community that temporarily doesnt exist. You have a responsibility not only to those vendors who pay you, but also those loyal "customers" who make it all possible. That responsibility is at the minimum level to do everything that you can to insure that the site stays up and available. I can understand over loaded servers more then i can running servers out of an ICF closet or even a vault at a bank with out a proper design and set up. The costs associated with such are simply assinine when comparing the costs associated with a full rack or half rack in a properly configured and maintained data center in even a Teir one pop.
Look if you need help figuring all that ish out all you have to do is ask, i for one would be happy to help you out. Hell even put you in touch with what people i do know who do that sort of thing. Even if it is just to ask people questions there are plenty of people in the community who would be willing to help, consult, or even contribute just to make sure that their community doesnt disapear because some jerkoff telco doesnt give a ish about residential power (they cant LEGALY do that when it comes to data centers due to SLA's)...
anyways i have said more then my part, i have thrown jabs at you for being a dunce (it isnt like i havent said all of this three or so times before, hell i even got points for it once, yeah to mods). I do not agree with your views on somethings
First off... FusionSolutions, my business... existed long before NASIOC came around. So the revenue from that, which at this point is non-existant because all my time and effort is in NASIOC right now.
As I stated in my post... I have everything else I needed to be prepared for anything. I have power covered with a 15KW propane generator... and a contract to keep the 500 gal tank topped off, so we wouldn't run out. The server room has it's own 2 ton AC unit.
The only thing I can't count on is the data connection, which I'll agree is the only thing that actually matters. So with that being said I've been investigating other options... like moving to Fiber to see if that would remove the possibility of downtime. But again even the fiber runs on Telco boxes that if unpowered from the street power will eventually die when the battery backup runs out. The real problem here is this hurricane was more powerful than anyone in Florida was actually expecting.
So I'll agree with you that if this were an isolated storm... and just knocked me down for some stupid reason... I would take full responsibility for what happened... but this was a MASSIVE storm... that inflicted massive amounts of damage all across Florida... much more than anyone could possible have expected. And with areas in Florida with nearly 90% of entire counties without power I have to imagine that many co-los are without power or data at this point. I believe there were some cases mentioned in this thread.
So the research I have to do is in co-location at this point. I need at least a half rack for all my equipment because it's not just NASIOC... it's my infastructure servers, load balancer for NASIOC, and Tape Backup unit. And my question that go along with that. Who changes the tapes? Is that something the co-lo is responsible for? It's an autoloader... but still needs some rotation.
And what if the server goes down... hardware failure... software issue... who takes care of the problem? I also don't like the idea of the hardware being out of reach if I need to be there to work on it. Plus there is a certain sense of comfort you get knowing you can "visit" your servers anytime you need to.
Like I said... I need to do a lot of research on this. I won't pick anything short of the best choice for a colo... that is both known for unfailing uptime... best hands on service when needed... but also needs to be within reasonable driving distance. So I'll have to find the right combination of those things.
I have lots of questions so I may just take you up on your offer of advice and help.
But please stop saying I'm running my stiff like ****! That's just not true. I've done what I felt was best, it just wasn't good enough in such an extreme circumstance. So tell me this... what happens in places like Cali when a major earthquake hits... or New York when the entire grid goes down... or worse future terror attacks? What makes those places so much safer in such an extreme circumstance? Bottom line is there are no guarantees of failure free co-location. While I agree there are pleanty of places that are top notch... and certainly don't have much downtime... into the 4 or 5 nines uptime area, but nothing is 100%.
-Nick
10-26-2005, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by writersblock
Here's what I don't understand (and don't flame me, this is just my opinion). From some of these posts and noting that many people miss it, NASIOC offers a very important service to both the users and the vendors. Why on earth is everyone so angry that the guy makes money from it? Nothing in this world is free and virtually anything worth doing is worth doing for profit. It's simple capitalism.
I applaud the guy for inventing a better mousetrap. That said, he definitely should have been hosting his site in a datacenter. While many hosting companies in South Florida might be having trouble with telecommunications down, because they have a contract to host a particular site, the onus is on them to find another temporary host. In other words, it becomes their problem. We host several customer sites with a local web host. I wouldn't even dream of trying to run them out of my house or even my office.
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I applaud the guy for inventing a better mousetrap. That said, he definitely should have been hosting his site in a datacenter. While many hosting companies in South Florida might be having trouble with telecommunications down, because they have a contract to host a particular site, the onus is on them to find another temporary host. In other words, it becomes their problem. We host several customer sites with a local web host. I wouldn't even dream of trying to run them out of my house or even my office.
Writersblock
how long have you been around?
10-26-2005, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick@NASIOC
Words.
Nick. You REALLY need to do some research....colo is easy if you let go of what you will realize is a silly need to 'visit' the servers.
Read up on 'remote hands'.
10-26-2005, 08:54 PM
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and the nasioc mods are dicks
ill be banned once the site goes up again
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...ghlight=nasioc
good job on selecting them. onederer is an ***
post 38 if you dont want to read it all
ill be banned once the site goes up again
https://www.i-club.com/forums/showth...ghlight=nasioc
good job on selecting them. onederer is an ***
post 38 if you dont want to read it all
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10-26-2005, 09:03 PM
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....wonder how many of these 'people' who are so farking critical, and way off base, have never been through a MAJOR hurricane and just have no idea what they have to ***** about...???
....oh yeah....and it isn't like they got their nuts chopped off or anyting like that, is it????
....wonder how many of these 'people' who are so farking critical, and way off base, have never been through a MAJOR hurricane and just have no idea what they have to ***** about...???
....oh yeah....and it isn't like they got their nuts chopped off or anyting like that, is it????
10-26-2005, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick@NASIOC
While I agree with you on some points... that bellsouth doesn't give a crap about residential areas... I have to protest some other points.
First off... FusionSolutions, my business... existed long before NASIOC came around. So the revenue from that, which at this point is non-existant because all my time and effort is in NASIOC right now.
As I stated in my post... I have everything else I needed to be prepared for anything. I have power covered with a 15KW propane generator... and a contract to keep the 500 gal tank topped off, so we wouldn't run out. The server room has it's own 2 ton AC unit.
The only thing I can't count on is the data connection, which I'll agree is the only thing that actually matters. So with that being said I've been investigating other options... like moving to Fiber to see if that would remove the possibility of downtime. But again even the fiber runs on Telco boxes that if unpowered from the street power will eventually die when the battery backup runs out. The real problem here is this hurricane was more powerful than anyone in Florida was actually expecting.
So I'll agree with you that if this were an isolated storm... and just knocked me down for some stupid reason... I would take full responsibility for what happened... but this was a MASSIVE storm... that inflicted massive amounts of damage all across Florida... much more than anyone could possible have expected. And with areas in Florida with nearly 90% of entire counties without power I have to imagine that many co-los are without power or data at this point. I believe there were some cases mentioned in this thread.
So the research I have to do is in co-location at this point. I need at least a half rack for all my equipment because it's not just NASIOC... it's my infastructure servers, load balancer for NASIOC, and Tape Backup unit. And my question that go along with that. Who changes the tapes? Is that something the co-lo is responsible for? It's an autoloader... but still needs some rotation.
And what if the server goes down... hardware failure... software issue... who takes care of the problem? I also don't like the idea of the hardware being out of reach if I need to be there to work on it. Plus there is a certain sense of comfort you get knowing you can "visit" your servers anytime you need to.
Like I said... I need to do a lot of research on this. I won't pick anything short of the best choice for a colo... that is both known for unfailing uptime... best hands on service when needed... but also needs to be within reasonable driving distance. So I'll have to find the right combination of those things.
I have lots of questions so I may just take you up on your offer of advice and help.
But please stop saying I'm running my stiff like ****! That's just not true. I've done what I felt was best, it just wasn't good enough in such an extreme circumstance. So tell me this... what happens in places like Cali when a major earthquake hits... or New York when the entire grid goes down... or worse future terror attacks? What makes those places so much safer in such an extreme circumstance? Bottom line is there are no guarantees of failure free co-location. While I agree there are pleanty of places that are top notch... and certainly don't have much downtime... into the 4 or 5 nines uptime area, but nothing is 100%.
-Nick
First off... FusionSolutions, my business... existed long before NASIOC came around. So the revenue from that, which at this point is non-existant because all my time and effort is in NASIOC right now.
As I stated in my post... I have everything else I needed to be prepared for anything. I have power covered with a 15KW propane generator... and a contract to keep the 500 gal tank topped off, so we wouldn't run out. The server room has it's own 2 ton AC unit.
The only thing I can't count on is the data connection, which I'll agree is the only thing that actually matters. So with that being said I've been investigating other options... like moving to Fiber to see if that would remove the possibility of downtime. But again even the fiber runs on Telco boxes that if unpowered from the street power will eventually die when the battery backup runs out. The real problem here is this hurricane was more powerful than anyone in Florida was actually expecting.
So I'll agree with you that if this were an isolated storm... and just knocked me down for some stupid reason... I would take full responsibility for what happened... but this was a MASSIVE storm... that inflicted massive amounts of damage all across Florida... much more than anyone could possible have expected. And with areas in Florida with nearly 90% of entire counties without power I have to imagine that many co-los are without power or data at this point. I believe there were some cases mentioned in this thread.
So the research I have to do is in co-location at this point. I need at least a half rack for all my equipment because it's not just NASIOC... it's my infastructure servers, load balancer for NASIOC, and Tape Backup unit. And my question that go along with that. Who changes the tapes? Is that something the co-lo is responsible for? It's an autoloader... but still needs some rotation.
And what if the server goes down... hardware failure... software issue... who takes care of the problem? I also don't like the idea of the hardware being out of reach if I need to be there to work on it. Plus there is a certain sense of comfort you get knowing you can "visit" your servers anytime you need to.
Like I said... I need to do a lot of research on this. I won't pick anything short of the best choice for a colo... that is both known for unfailing uptime... best hands on service when needed... but also needs to be within reasonable driving distance. So I'll have to find the right combination of those things.
I have lots of questions so I may just take you up on your offer of advice and help.
But please stop saying I'm running my stiff like ****! That's just not true. I've done what I felt was best, it just wasn't good enough in such an extreme circumstance. So tell me this... what happens in places like Cali when a major earthquake hits... or New York when the entire grid goes down... or worse future terror attacks? What makes those places so much safer in such an extreme circumstance? Bottom line is there are no guarantees of failure free co-location. While I agree there are pleanty of places that are top notch... and certainly don't have much downtime... into the 4 or 5 nines uptime area, but nothing is 100%.
-Nick
Fiber run to a resie or even com area would still be prown to power outages depending on how far the line was run (think optical repeaters).
Not a fiber expert but i know there can be issues with that as well..
Im telling you, getting in with a proper datacenter with all the right SLA's with multiple providers will get you alot furthur then any resie or com line from any telco.
Telcos dont care as long as their SLA's dont force them to care...
and tear it up man pm me i can shoot you my cell phone or aim account
im always up to help... Im more on the infosec side of the house (hence the BCP, DRP, and all that mojo i have to deal with) but what i dont know off the top of me head its just a few phone calls away. Entire grids can go down, they do all the time (think summer in new york a few years back), that is fine and dandy let the ****er go down, that is why most datacenters spend big bucks on generators, massive battery systems, ups, the works. So in the cases that the grid does go off they still have nuff power to support all their machines PLUS a surplus. (i have been to some DC's where they run a 100+% surplus of power generation facilities just in case, fully redundant mind you..)
point is most if not all proper data centers will be able to cope with the grid going down (you see that blog from those guys in down town NO that kept their **** up and running the entire time? Sites and all?). Its al about contingency planning and BCP preperation. Basicly keeping your *** covered at all times, this includes the ability to shift data to an offsite location in the event of a power outage (e.g. when the ups's fire up push the latest diff of your database to a lower powered site off site.. granted lots of cost assocaited with this but none the less some colo sites may have this capability already built out) Dont think your site needs that level of service but at the very least solid power, bandiwdth, and facilities would help out in the off chance situation like the one you are in now.
IE
http://www.ilandinternet.com/colloca...ida_miami.aspx
Included Features
* 42u four post racks with combination lock cabinets
* 100 Mbps Burstable Ethernet on Cisco Powered Network
* Online Bandwidth Monitoring Reports
* Private VLAN Included for Security
* 24x7x365 Unescorted Badge Access to Facility
* Redundant Backup Power
* 24hr HVAC Climate Control
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24x7 Live Technical Support
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99.999% Network and Power Uptime Guarantee
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Managed Services Available
Cabinet with Bandwith Usage
Cabinet with 1 Mbps $795/month + $875 initial setup
Cabinet with 3 Mbps $925/month + $875 initial setup
Cabinet with 5 Mbps $995/month + $875 initial setup
Cabinet with 10 Mbps $1195/month + $875 initial setup
Cabinet with >10 Mbps Call us at 1.800.697.7088
that is pricing for a full 42u cab... (With bandwidth on the 9
another example
http://www.k2colocation.com/colocati...rida/miami.cfm
and another..
http://www.webgemshosting.com/colo-inquiry.html
For the cost of the T1's alone you could prob colo all your servers in a full 42u rack (you prob dont have that many servers) with more bandwidth then you currently use. (depending on which carrier you interface with.. Hell you could end up saving on cost outlays and still providing a better more resiliant service..
And yes spelling p0wns me..
anyways hit me up i will do what i can to help you out, looks like there are plenty of colo sites near you. I think for what nasioc is you should be fine with a proper rack in a good data center.. No need for a hot or even a cold site incase the main site gets nuked or something.. (i have worked with clients who have hot sites for their hot sites and cold sites for their third or fourth teir backups.. pretty nuts and lots of money..
10-26-2005, 09:07 PM
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^the bomb in miami, at least in my research so far... cant find any costs assocaited with it tho..
^the bomb in miami, at least in my research so far... cant find any costs assocaited with it tho..
10-26-2005, 09:10 PM
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Oh and Nick, they have "remote hands services" that you can either instruct via phone (if for some reason you cant vpn in and remote to the server via ssh or rdp or what ever) that can reboot servers, restart services etc etc. As for hardware failures if you have enough space they can im sure store spare parts, servers, etc on site. If a drive fails in an array they can pop it in for you and you take it from their remotely or they can restore the array for you as well. All depends on what you have and the service contract you enter with them
And miami isnt that far away if **** really goes south (ie no parts to swap in or out and you ahve to lug it up there for what ever reason).
Just some thoughts and again hit me up if you have questions, i know that myself and others from nasioc and iclub would be more then willing to help you wade over all the issues associated with colo.
And miami isnt that far away if **** really goes south (ie no parts to swap in or out and you ahve to lug it up there for what ever reason).
Just some thoughts and again hit me up if you have questions, i know that myself and others from nasioc and iclub would be more then willing to help you wade over all the issues associated with colo.
10-26-2005, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick@NASIOC
I have never seen so much speculation and pure hatred for no reason.
Just to answer a few of the ridiculous comments made here...
The site was NEVER moved to a datacenter... I never said ANYTHING to the effect. I'd maybe in the past spoken about talking to some people about it... but the only thing I did say for certain is that I was moving the servers to their new home in a more north part of Florida, and they were getting their own real ICF construction server room with it's own power and AC. And that was 100% true. So please feel free to show me where I said I was moving the servers to a datacenter... I'd like to see where "I" said that... otherwise I'd like a retraction.
NASIOC couldn't be run off a 1U server... and I whoever said it has no idea how, or has ever, run a website that has traffic. NASIOC currently runs on 6 servers... 1 2U Dell 2850, and 5 1U Dell 1425s, and a Dell 210 PowerVault for storage. The 2U is the database server which has 12GB of memory... which costs more than most sites spend on hosting for a 10 year period. For the fact checkers its 6 2GB sticks of single rank memory for the 2850.
Now... I charge the vendors $100/month... (the same amount Alex charges) and in fact most pay less than that because I offer discounts on longer length contracts. So that $150/month average and "most pay more" figure is total crap.
Living in Florida... considering these past two years have been the worst in 40 years prior... I can't say the record is that bad. Yes we have outages ever now and then, but where doesn't. Everywhere has its issues due to location. There is no such thing as the perfect location to host servers. Now as far as moving my servers to a datacenter. I've considered it in the past... the problem is it was never an option because the costs were two great. Only recently after spending just over $35K on servers since the beginning of this year have I had the form factor of the servers into something I can possible send to a datacenter. So that's a very new turn of events. The other factor is NASIOC runs on 5 T1s hosted out of the ICF server room we have built here. We have 15KW generators to power the system, and the room is literally bomb proof, check ICF construction for details. The only thing that I was trying to remedy was connection. And unfortunately there is no type of connection that is foolproof. All data connections to business/residential areas are limited by the number of hops and what is powering the Telco box. Ours was apparently powered buy a 12 hour backup that ran out at 8:30 on Monday night. So no connection short of a backbone connection is without fault. The other concern is bandwidth... NASIOC uses on average per day 6Mb/s during peak hours... which is roughly 17 hours a day. So I need to investigate that cost from a datacenter... originally that sort of BW wasn't cheap.
That all being said... I am in fact investigating datacenter options from this point out as it's become readily clear to me that hosting out of what is a full fledged datacenter just isn't an option. I have even considered trying to become a hop of some sort just so I can get a real legit line in here that wouldn't be subject to these silly outages just because the phone company can't put some sort of real backup solution on their Telco boxes.
All in all... I read this thread just feeling sick... It's not everyday that you get to see a lot of people just plain being nasty to you without reason... especially something like a natural disaster.
What I learned from this thread... apparently I'm an ******* who has no idea how to run a website and is only in it for the money. Nice to know... guess that's why I felt literally sick to my stomach when the connection went down even after I'd done everything I could to ensure it wouldn't happen.
And just for the record... Alex and I are totally cool at this point... this crap you guys keep stirring up is just dumb. If Alex and I can get over what happened... I don't see why the rest of you can't.
And yes Daniel... you are right... as of this point... I want to get the servers the hell out of my "basement" and more importantly the hell out of Florida. I wish I could just up and send NASIOC to a datacenter. It's just not that easy when the site is as large as NASIOC is.
What pisses me off the most is I did everything I was suppose to... but it still wasn't enough. So I really don't appreciate the soap box stars here nit picking me for it. Trust me... I've done my homework... the only place I lacked was investigating datacenters... which I will now do once we are back up and running and I can do some legitimate research.
I also think a few of you here need to be a bit more sympathetic to this situation brought about by hurricane Wilma. This was in fact the WORST hurricane ever on historical record and it caused more electrical damage than Katrina. At one point 6 million people were without power and when the dust settled 7 out of 10 Florida Power and Light customers were without power. And as or right now most of Central and South Florida is in the dark. So have some compassion... or at least think before you speak about something that you've not even taken a moment to consider.
-Nick
P.S. And before anyone asks this post was made on my Cingular Phone connected to my laptop... If I could host NASIOC off it I would! I'm just out of options right this moment.
Just to answer a few of the ridiculous comments made here...
The site was NEVER moved to a datacenter... I never said ANYTHING to the effect. I'd maybe in the past spoken about talking to some people about it... but the only thing I did say for certain is that I was moving the servers to their new home in a more north part of Florida, and they were getting their own real ICF construction server room with it's own power and AC. And that was 100% true. So please feel free to show me where I said I was moving the servers to a datacenter... I'd like to see where "I" said that... otherwise I'd like a retraction.
NASIOC couldn't be run off a 1U server... and I whoever said it has no idea how, or has ever, run a website that has traffic. NASIOC currently runs on 6 servers... 1 2U Dell 2850, and 5 1U Dell 1425s, and a Dell 210 PowerVault for storage. The 2U is the database server which has 12GB of memory... which costs more than most sites spend on hosting for a 10 year period. For the fact checkers its 6 2GB sticks of single rank memory for the 2850.
Now... I charge the vendors $100/month... (the same amount Alex charges) and in fact most pay less than that because I offer discounts on longer length contracts. So that $150/month average and "most pay more" figure is total crap.
Living in Florida... considering these past two years have been the worst in 40 years prior... I can't say the record is that bad. Yes we have outages ever now and then, but where doesn't. Everywhere has its issues due to location. There is no such thing as the perfect location to host servers. Now as far as moving my servers to a datacenter. I've considered it in the past... the problem is it was never an option because the costs were two great. Only recently after spending just over $35K on servers since the beginning of this year have I had the form factor of the servers into something I can possible send to a datacenter. So that's a very new turn of events. The other factor is NASIOC runs on 5 T1s hosted out of the ICF server room we have built here. We have 15KW generators to power the system, and the room is literally bomb proof, check ICF construction for details. The only thing that I was trying to remedy was connection. And unfortunately there is no type of connection that is foolproof. All data connections to business/residential areas are limited by the number of hops and what is powering the Telco box. Ours was apparently powered buy a 12 hour backup that ran out at 8:30 on Monday night. So no connection short of a backbone connection is without fault. The other concern is bandwidth... NASIOC uses on average per day 6Mb/s during peak hours... which is roughly 17 hours a day. So I need to investigate that cost from a datacenter... originally that sort of BW wasn't cheap.
That all being said... I am in fact investigating datacenter options from this point out as it's become readily clear to me that hosting out of what is a full fledged datacenter just isn't an option. I have even considered trying to become a hop of some sort just so I can get a real legit line in here that wouldn't be subject to these silly outages just because the phone company can't put some sort of real backup solution on their Telco boxes.
All in all... I read this thread just feeling sick... It's not everyday that you get to see a lot of people just plain being nasty to you without reason... especially something like a natural disaster.
What I learned from this thread... apparently I'm an ******* who has no idea how to run a website and is only in it for the money. Nice to know... guess that's why I felt literally sick to my stomach when the connection went down even after I'd done everything I could to ensure it wouldn't happen.
And just for the record... Alex and I are totally cool at this point... this crap you guys keep stirring up is just dumb. If Alex and I can get over what happened... I don't see why the rest of you can't.
And yes Daniel... you are right... as of this point... I want to get the servers the hell out of my "basement" and more importantly the hell out of Florida. I wish I could just up and send NASIOC to a datacenter. It's just not that easy when the site is as large as NASIOC is.
What pisses me off the most is I did everything I was suppose to... but it still wasn't enough. So I really don't appreciate the soap box stars here nit picking me for it. Trust me... I've done my homework... the only place I lacked was investigating datacenters... which I will now do once we are back up and running and I can do some legitimate research.
I also think a few of you here need to be a bit more sympathetic to this situation brought about by hurricane Wilma. This was in fact the WORST hurricane ever on historical record and it caused more electrical damage than Katrina. At one point 6 million people were without power and when the dust settled 7 out of 10 Florida Power and Light customers were without power. And as or right now most of Central and South Florida is in the dark. So have some compassion... or at least think before you speak about something that you've not even taken a moment to consider.
-Nick
P.S. And before anyone asks this post was made on my Cingular Phone connected to my laptop... If I could host NASIOC off it I would! I'm just out of options right this moment.
Holy Ellipses Batman! Buy some periods & commas next time, buddy!
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